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Originally Posted by Darthstryk3r View Post
... I noticed on my board today the second pci-e slot almost is right in front of the SATA connectors. Will the long gtx cards get in the way of those??
Reference 460s are quite short. Even my EVGA FTWs are of a reasonable
size (8.5" long).

More importantly, you will likely be severely CPU bottlenecked running two
460s SLI. Indeed, even a single 460 is unlikely to run as fast as its able with
the CPU you're using (RAM bottlenecks may also come into play).

If you don't mind waiting, there are some further tests I want to run which
will help answer this question. I can try running my 460s at a reduced
speed that would reflect a typical 460 SE, and try one vs. two of them in
my 6000+ M2N32 system. Likewise, I can scale down my i7 870's clock to
match the performance of a 940BE (or your CPU whatever that might be)
and then run the same test on my P55 - this will overestimate somewhat
because the RAM bottleneck will be removed, but I could also minimise
the RAM speed to more closely replicate a DDR2 system. I can easily do
the M2N32 test, but if you'd like me to try the other test thenlet me know
(post here and also email me).

All this of course depends on the games you play. If you're playing older
games, then simply adding a 2nd older card will give just as good a
performance boost, and newer cards don't help much for older games
anyway (unless one also switches to a higher res and higher detail mode).
If you want to switch to newer DX10/DX11 games, then a newer card
would help, but only if as above the CPU doesn't get in the way.

See my collated results so far:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC

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Ok here's the deal...I have had this mobo now for several years and have, by the very fact that I still own it and use it, had no issues with it apart from a few initial hiccups when building the system which were solved eventually by driver installation.
At the time it was quite competative, but obviousley as time passes things become outdated, including myself....so recently I have bought some software of the music creation ilk and was thinking of upgrading my system..
Imagine my surprise when I found out that my mobo can actually accomodate these new fangled beast like cpu's....that'll keep a few overheads down I thought.
So here I am doing some research and this nice little forum eventually reached my attention.....ah...807 pages that quite a bit of trawling to do then....

Maybe not, maybe the nice people on here can answer a few of my niggling doubts...

So a few questions:

1: BIOS Update, I know I need it, previous update was done via ASUS Update utility, I've seen warnings against this method without explanations, any reason why?

2: CPU Choice pt1: I am guessing that the latent cores on X2's cannot be "unlocked" on this board, so the question here is dual or quad, what is the relative peformance gain?

3: CPU Choice pt2: Looking at AthlonII or PhenomII, again relative performance vs cash value.

Basically options I'm considering are: PhenomII X2 555 @ £71, AthlonII X4 640 @ £84 or the jump to Phenom X4 955 Black Ed @ £120.

Last one for now..honest,

4: If I go with a CPU pgrade on this board, other than the BIOS update what other considerations do I need to make?

Thank you for your assistance in advance..
I was in the same boat a few months ago. I made decision more for fun than anything else, to upgrade the CPU to a Phenom X4 965BE C3. This processor cost me 126USD, so reasonable. A C3 module will allow you to eventually move it to another mainboard when you're ready. The Black Edition part is key because it allows you to decouple the CPU from the M2N32's HTref bus core speed. You can achieve a major performance boost both at the CPU level and at the mainboard level. The DRAM will need to be able to operate at the higher FSB speeds. These are my personal observations with a lot from the OC studs that hang out here. Most of them though have moved on to more current motherboard versions.

I am running the M2N32 at 300MHz and the 965BE at 4GHz.

Hope this helps,
C
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Wow, glad i didnt invest into a 470 like i thought about. Didnt really take the CPU bottlenecking into consideration. See a few weeks ago I came onto these boards and with some great help i upgraded my CPU from a athlon 64 x2 6400+ to a phenom ii x4 940BE. Ive read a lot about throwing faster cpus in etc but went with what I found to be the fastest am2+ for my board. Then decided to upgrade the videocard from the 8800gts ive had for years and been looking into the more modern gtx 460 or 470. Im really just trying to give my pc a few more years of life before i do a complete build, at the same time get a noticeable boost in performance.
As far as type of games i play they are COD mw2 and BO, dragon age, Warcraft stuff like that. To be honest If i will be hindered by running in SLI i could easily throw the second card into girlfriends pc to replace her 8500gt.
    
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I just wanted to updat everyone on my "problem"...

I ended up installing bios 5002 over 2002 with the new processor and it worked out fine...

After several different attempts to cleanse my system of all traces of nVidia software to allow nVidia Performance Tools 6.06 to properly install I gave up and did a fresh install of XP SP3. After that all went well and my 965BE seems to be running fine on all 4 cores. System performance tab even shows all 4 which surprised me.

Got it auto profiling so it jumps to 18X on windows boot-up.

One question: Should CPUID have that drop down activated to show each core? In Performance Tools each one is accessible and shows core specific info...

Thanks to everyone who helped me muck through this upgrade!

Michael


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Originally Posted by thecommissar! View Post
To summarize my current situation:

My current problem is that I cannot get any version of nVidia system tools to install.

This is because they detect an existing installation of the same, despite having used windows and Revo uninstallers to remove them. I will be trying some of the suggestions put forward to attempt resolve this as soon as I can but am all ears for additional ideas.

Secondary is the question of should I upgrade to the newest bios, 5002, from 2002 which I am currently running with the 965be. And if I upgrade, should I do so while running my old processor or the 965be, which as I said, is currently installed.
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Originally Posted by Miki_Mundi View Post
Ok here's the deal...I have had this mobo now for several years and have, by the very fact that I still own it and use it, had no issues with it apart from a few initial hiccups when building the system which were solved eventually by driver installation.
At the time it was quite competative, but obviousley as time passes things become outdated, including myself....so recently I have bought some software of the music creation ilk and was thinking of upgrading my system..
Imagine my surprise when I found out that my mobo can actually accomodate these new fangled beast like cpu's....that'll keep a few overheads down I thought.
So here I am doing some research and this nice little forum eventually reached my attention.....ah...807 pages that quite a bit of trawling to do then....

Maybe not, maybe the nice people on here can answer a few of my niggling doubts...

So a few questions:

1: BIOS Update, I know I need it, previous update was done via ASUS Update utility, I've seen warnings against this method without explanations, any reason why?

2: CPU Choice pt1: I am guessing that the latent cores on X2's cannot be "unlocked" on this board, so the question here is dual or quad, what is the relative peformance gain?

3: CPU Choice pt2: Looking at AthlonII or PhenomII, again relative performance vs cash value.

Basically options I'm considering are: PhenomII X2 555 @ £71, AthlonII X4 640 @ £84 or the jump to Phenom X4 955 Black Ed @ £120.

Last one for now..honest,

4: If I go with a CPU pgrade on this board, other than the BIOS update what other considerations do I need to make?

Thank you for your assistance in advance..
1. Ez-flash in the bios is the safest way.Because doing it through software can some times go badly.
2.you are right in that you can not unlock cores on these boards.
for your intended use I would go for a Phenom ll x4 955,for the l3 cache.
3.see 2.
4.If you choose the x4 955/965/970 there are extra steps you need to take to make it work.(nothing really complicated though).see the front page of this thread for more info.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by Darthstryk3r View Post
Wow, glad i didnt invest into a 470 like i thought about. Didnt really take the CPU bottlenecking into consideration. See a few weeks ago I came onto these boards and with some great help i upgraded my CPU from a athlon 64 x2 6400+ to a phenom ii x4 940BE. Ive read a lot about throwing faster cpus in etc but went with what I found to be the fastest am2+ for my board. Then decided to upgrade the videocard from the 8800gts ive had for years and been looking into the more modern gtx 460 or 470. Im really just trying to give my pc a few more years of life before i do a complete build, at the same time get a noticeable boost in performance.
As far as type of games i play they are COD mw2 and BO, dragon age, Warcraft stuff like that. To be honest If i will be hindered by running in SLI i could easily throw the second card into girlfriends pc to replace her 8500gt.
I don't think the x4 940 will have any trouble keeping up with a pair of 460's on your board.

Good luck


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Originally Posted by thecommissar! View Post
I just wanted to updat everyone on my "problem"...

I ended up installing bios 5002 over 2002 with the new processor and it worked out fine...

After several different attempts to cleanse my system of all traces of nVidia software to allow nVidia Performance Tools 6.06 to properly install I gave up and did a fresh install of XP SP3. After that all went well and my 965BE seems to be running fine on all 4 cores. System performance tab even shows all 4 which surprised me.

Got it auto profiling so it jumps to 18X on windows boot-up.

One question: Should CPUID have that drop down activated to show each core? In Performance Tools each one is accessible and shows core specific info...

Thanks to everyone who helped me muck through this upgrade!

Michael
To bad that's what it took to get it going,but it's working that' the main thing.

Good luck

Gyro
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post #8076 of 12360
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Originally Posted by thecommissar! View Post
I just wanted to updat everyone on my "problem"...

I ended up installing bios 5002 over 2002 with the new processor and it worked out fine...

After several different attempts to cleanse my system of all traces of nVidia software to allow nVidia Performance Tools 6.06 to properly install I gave up and did a fresh install of XP SP3. After that all went well and my 965BE seems to be running fine on all 4 cores. System performance tab even shows all 4 which surprised me.

Got it auto profiling so it jumps to 18X on windows boot-up.

One question: Should CPUID have that drop down activated to show each core? In Performance Tools each one is accessible and shows core specific info...

Thanks to everyone who helped me muck through this upgrade!

Michael
Hopefully you'll carry on and OC the M2N32. Your hardware looks good to give it a go.
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Originally Posted by Darthstryk3r View Post
Wow, glad i didnt invest into a 470 like i thought about. Didnt really take the CPU bottlenecking into consideration. See a few weeks ago I came onto these boards and with some great help i upgraded my CPU from a athlon 64 x2 6400+ to a phenom ii x4 940BE. Ive read a lot about throwing faster cpus in etc but went with what I found to be the fastest am2+ for my board. Then decided to upgrade the videocard from the 8800gts ive had for years and been looking into the more modern gtx 460 or 470. Im really just trying to give my pc a few more years of life before i do a complete build, at the same time get a noticeable boost in performance.
As far as type of games i play they are COD mw2 and BO, dragon age, Warcraft stuff like that. To be honest If i will be hindered by running in SLI i could easily throw the second card into girlfriends pc to replace her 8500gt.
welcome to ocn. as for the sli, i notice you play a lot of the same games as me. i was getting 20-40fps in black ops with every setting maxed out and screen res of 1680x1050. when i got my second 9800gt i put them in sli and now get 80-90+ fps in black ops. while your cpu might not use all of the 460 sli i think it would use most of it, if not all of it, and you would see a huge jump in game performance.
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hello all
i have a AMD Phenom II X2 550 be i put in about 6 month ago im tring to overclock it i change the multi to get to 3.6 and it is prime stable 24 hours im ting to see if i can push it further but have strange problem

1 my bios is very slow and laggy
2 if i raise my fsb from 200 to even 202 i get stabiltiy problems
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1. Ez-flash in the bios is the safest way.Because doing it through software can some times go badly.
2.you are right in that you can not unlock cores on these boards.
for your intended use I would go for a Phenom ll x4 955,for the l3 cache.
3.see 2.
4.If you choose the x4 955/965/970 there are extra steps you need to take to make it work.(nothing really complicated though).see the front page of this thread for more info.

Good luck

Gyro
Thanks for that, Im guessing the extra steps involve nvidia tools?
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hello all
i have a AMD Phenom II X2 550 be i put in about 6 month ago im tring to overclock it i change the multi to get to 3.6 and it is prime stable 24 hours im ting to see if i can push it further but have strange problem

1 my bios is very slow and laggy
2 if i raise my fsb from 200 to even 202 i get stabiltiy problems
Hey brian, please go here http://www.overclock.net/specs.php?do=addsystem and fill it in to the best of your ability.

Thanks

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Thanks for that, Im guessing the extra steps involve nvidia tools?
Yes that is correct. Really quite simple.
Basically you just set the cpu multi high in the bios and control it from the performance tools.Save as a profile to load at windows startup,and your up and running.
All other cpu's just need a possible bios update and a cmos clear and drop it in.

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