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I have a dialog going on with Microsoft, so let's see where that goes.

Good.


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The SSD benchmark issue I attribute to the newness of these series 3 drivers with Sandforce controller, and getting the firmware to play with Nvidia chipsets at all. It seems that the Apple community is in an uproar over this as well. So until I get a version of the firmware that OCZ states is thoroughly testing with Nvidia controllers, I will just have to live with it this way.

As for Linux, I actually have a bootable CD but I don't think it's usable for the purpose you describe. It was built specifically to allow firmware updates to the SSD. If there's some other way to do this experimentation with Linux, let me know. I may need to buy another disk just to have a spare for this type of work.
Many Linux distributions offer "Live CDs", that is you boot the Linux OS from CD/DVD, the OS loads itself into RAM and you have fairly complete and usable Linux OS without installing anything.
If you have any DVD-R(W) discs you could download, burn, try and see if you find anything that you like. There are some linux distributions that you can run from USB-sticks too.
These two dedicated Live CD distributions I have used on the past. I don't know has good & easy to use the latest versions are though:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
http://www.elivecd.org/Download/Stable#download

These distributions might have Live CDs too:
http://www.linux.com/directory/Distr...-Distributions



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But I see no issues in windows 7. WEI (windows experience index) runs a nice 7.4. Overall system responsiveness is just a shade less than the 2010 vintage Rampage III extreme i7 system my son has.

There has been so much fuss over Nvidia chipsets that I've read lately, coupled with the fact they have gotten out of this business that has me a bit gun-shy now to buy another board with that stuff in it. Sort of the way it was with VIA chipsets years ago on Intel machines.


No, buying a new nvidia based board does not seem like a very good idea. Who knows how good (bad?) driver support will be in future version of Windows. Besides, nvidia did licence SLI capability for some AM3+ boards.

Honestly though, the M2N32 boards are still really good motherboards. When I compare my M2N32 boards with my Crosshair IV, the differences are not that big. Sure, the Crosshair IV has some nice features such as full control over the NB/IMC, DDR3 & AHCI support and really fance BIOS settings for controlling all fan connectors, but there are shortcomings too: No IDE support, no floppy drive support (and yes I do use both those quite often) and quite low ceiling for HT frequency; the board really struggles above 310-315MHz. My overall impression is that are the Crosshair IV mostly offers gradual improvements over the M2N32, but not anything really groundbreaking.
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At first I didn't think much of it, maybe because the board is so old and that I'd written it off in terms of support. But now I need to ask others about their experiences with this software.

Both System Tools and nForce drivers explicitly state support for the 590-SLI.

The problem areas are:
  1. System tab does no recognize the BIOS level of the M2N32.
  2. The Storage tab is unable to see any of the four disks in my machine.

If you have this software on your machine with Windows 7 64-bit, can you tell me if you see either of these tabs populated with valid data?
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No, buying a new nvidia based board does not seem like a very good idea. Who knows how good (bad?) driver support will be in future version of Windows. Besides, nvidia did licence SLI capability for some AM3+ boards.

Honestly though, the M2N32 boards are still really good motherboards. When I compare my M2N32 boards with my Crosshair IV, the differences are not that big. Sure, the Crosshair IV has some nice features such as full control over the NB/IMC, DDR3 & AHCI support and really fance BIOS settings for controlling all fan connectors, but there are shortcomings too: No IDE support, no floppy drive support (and yes I do use both those quite often) and quite low ceiling for HT frequency; the board really struggles above 310-315MHz. My overall impression is that are the Crosshair IV mostly offers gradual improvements over the M2N32, but not anything really groundbreaking.
Personally I feel the same way about the M2N32, although I'm ready to build something new. But still my system can run everything I throw at it. Boots up very fast.

And newer doesn't necessarily mean that it is free from issues. I'm quite surprised about the Marvel 9128 issues that people talk about, although my son's Rampage III Extreme doesn't seem to be all bothered by the issues. However he isn't running AHCI and is using the system exclusively as a gaming platform, so some of these more esoteric functions are not important to him.

I had one person recommend this board: MSI 990FXA GD70. I also want to look more closely at Gigabyte.

In my next buy decision, I won't bemoan the lack of floppy or PATA interface. I'm actually only using PATA now because the DVD writer I have uses that connection and I haven't been bothered with the need to buy a new SATA one. Worse comes to worst, I could even do without because I have a USB drive I can use if I really needed to. I think I also have a USB floppy drive too if I ever needed that, but I think creating bootable USB drives would fare just as well.
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At first I didn't think much of it, maybe because the board is so old and that I'd written it off in terms of support. But now I need to ask others about their experiences with this software.

Both System Tools and nForce drivers explicitly state support for the 590-SLI.

The problem areas are:
  1. System tab does no recognize the BIOS level of the M2N32.
  2. The Storage tab is unable to see any of the four disks in my machine.

If you have this software on your machine with Windows 7 64-bit, can you tell me if you see either of these tabs populated with valid data?

Sorry, the only rig have a working Windows 7 installation on is the Crosshair IV rig.

I suppose whatever is causing the nforce tools & drivers to not work correctly could confuse chkdsk too.
Have you tried to move one of your drives to the Sil3132 controller? Perhaps that will allow you to run chkdsk on it? If so then you will know that it an issue with the drivers.






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Personally I feel the same way about the M2N32, although I'm ready to build something new. But still my system can run everything I throw at it. Boots up very fast.
Well, it always fun to have some new hardware to play with. :-)
You might want to look for "open box" deals (that is how I ended up buying several M2N* boards, I got most of them very cheap :-)
I also highly recommend water cooling if you have not tried it before.


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And newer doesn't necessarily mean that it is free from issues. I'm quite surprised about the Marvel 9128 issues that people talk about, although my son's Rampage III Extreme doesn't seem to be all bothered by the issues. However he isn't running AHCI and is using the system exclusively as a gaming platform, so some of these more esoteric functions are not important to him.

I had one person recommend this board: MSI 990FXA GD70. I also want to look more closely at Gigabyte.
I browsed through the reviews here earlier today:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/
The new MSI boards did not seem to perform so well. Of course I don't really know how trustworthy these reviews are though. It might be that they favor Asus & Gigabyte.
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Sorry, the only rig have a working Windows 7 installation on is the Crosshair IV rig.

I suppose whatever is causing the nforce tools & drivers to not work correctly could confuse chkdsk too.
Have you tried to move one of your drives to the Sil3132 controller? Perhaps that will allow you to run chkdsk on it? If so then you will know that it an issue with the drivers.
Yes, that is something I will do just to see if that makes any difference. I'm actually more worried about some hardware issue now or a general incompatibility between the 590-SLI and and Windows 7 since even doing the CHKDSK test using the recovery console fails to work.

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Well, it always fun to have some new hardware to play with. :-)
You might want to look for "open box" deals (that is how I ended up buying several M2N* boards, I got most of them very cheap :-)
I also highly recommend water cooling if you have not tried it before.
IIRC, my M2N32 may have been bought that way.

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I browsed through the reviews here earlier today:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/
The new MSI boards did not seem to perform so well. Of course I don't really know how trustworthy these reviews are though. It might be that they favor Asus & Gigabyte.
This was good to look at and yes a little skepticism is healthy. One of the major concerns I have for any next purchase is ensuring that the SSD is not in any way hindered by the mainboard. I'm also wanting to ensure that SLI has no issues as I plan to run that way going forward.
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I also highly recommend water cooling if you have not tried it before.
I couldn't let this one go by without a comment. While I haven't attempted anything like this yet at the PC level, I had the opportunity to work on the world's first commercial 8-way computer, and let me tell you about water cooling!!! Motherboards that needed either two people to hold them up they were so heavy, or use a mini crane device to hold in place for install or removal. Water cooling hats that covered substrates holding in excess of 100 chips per module. Separate power and cooling cabinets for that bad boy. Sure it's apples and oranges, but I have seen this stuff in action and at a very high level.

I know my son has stated intentions of water cooling his tech bench setup, so there may be something to talk about.
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I suppose whatever is causing the nforce tools & drivers to not work correctly could confuse chkdsk too.
Have you tried to move one of your drives to the Sil3132 controller? Perhaps that will allow you to run chkdsk on it? If so then you will know that it an issue with the drivers.
I put the Seagate 1.5T on the Sil3132 and it made no difference. In BIOS setup, the drive was listed as RAID-0. I thought that was odd since I wasn't specifically asking for RAID on either of the controllers.

This may be a mystery that goes unanswered.

Thanks,
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I couldn't let this one go by without a comment. While I haven't attempted anything like this yet at the PC level, I had the opportunity to work on the world's first commercial 8-way computer, and let me tell you about water cooling!!! Motherboards that needed either two people to hold them up they were so heavy, or use a mini crane device to hold in place for install or removal. Water cooling hats that covered substrates holding in excess of 100 chips per module. Separate power and cooling cabinets for that bad boy. Sure it's apples and oranges, but I have seen this stuff in action and at a very high level.
Impressive rig!


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I know my son has stated intentions of water cooling his tech bench setup, so there may be something to talk about.
I think you encourage him or even help him out with at that; at least half of the fun with water cooling is to build/create something :-).






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I put the Seagate 1.5T on the Sil3132 and it made no difference. In BIOS setup, the drive was listed as RAID-0. I thought that was odd since I wasn't specifically asking for RAID on either of the controllers.

This may be a mystery that goes unanswered.

Thanks,
Too bad, I actually thought it would work.
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Too bad, I actually thought it would work.
At this point, I can't even run a CHKDSK on an external USB drive without that blasted error occurring in W7-64.

I think the OS is allergic to my M2N32.

The sad thing about this is one would think a mature board like ours would have no issues, but I suppose it is so old that perhaps M$ isn't doing much in the way of supporting it, or perhaps the legacy history of Nvidia chipset issues has come to roost again here and Nvidia is done too.

But I've run this OS since it came out and frankly I don't ever recall there being a CHKDSK issue until the SSD went in and I started into the whole reset ACPI thing and mucking with RAID options.

Last but not least, it looks like buying a new main board is going to be a Russian roulette experience with respect to getting proper performance from SSD... There are a number of accusatory statements on the OCZ board with some companies not properly verifying full performance of their hardware. Specifically programming in the BIOS area when it comes to the AMD SB950.
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As part of the study on CHKDSK I mentioned earlier, I took the time to secure erase and reflash firmware from 2.11 down to 2.09 on my SSD. Previously I had reported stability issues.

I'm happy to say I have SATA-2 speeds back and WEI is reading 7.4 again.

I hope that when OCZ releases their next firmware update to provide better support for Nvidia chipsets, it will clear up some of the messiness in the graph.
Wow nice to hear that it turned out to be a problem with the firmware and not a problem with our board which OCZ claims that there is lol You should see some big improvements in your 4k's.

Your graph looks very messy compared to Dr.Swizz's agility 2 and it just proves that the newer SF-2xxx controllers are still very buggy and full of problems versus the more mature SF-1200 controller.

As Swizz said, buying another Nvidia board is bad since they have been out of the MCP business for a while now and none of the Nforce chipsets fully support AHCI for SSD's and with TRIM command fully passing though their drivers. If you are in the market for a new board, I would go with something AM3+ for BD. The ASUS Sabertooth or the Crosshair V or anything with a 990 chipset is like the perfect replacement for our board.
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