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if they discontinued it means they sold them all and will not be replacing them. how ever, if you dont mind used or possibly new you could try ebay. i have got some of my best cards from there for cheap, or look in the for sale section hear.
When I looked, for some reason these cards were cheapest at the egg. I'll figure something out.

The 460 is a great card. I'm having a blast playing Crysis.
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I need more than luck at this point, N2G. Both cards are EVGA branded and are both SLI ready. If I can't make this work, I will have to send the second card back.
OK first things first.

First lets make sure the regular GTX 460 is the primary GPU for driver issues and pull the GTX 460SE ver out of the system then flollow below :/

1 unistall all the GPU Drivers.
2 Install only the 460 SE Driver and hope that it'll work w/the regular Non SE Version GTX 460 as well.
3 If you can get the reg. 460 working on the SE ver Driver then install the SE version.
4 reboot & let system install drivers for the newly installed SE ver card and go to the Hardware device monitor in win contrl pnl to make sure the drivers are installed and working for both gpu's.
5 Hard pwr off to place the sli bridge on both cards.
6 go intp bios and make sure there is no sli options deselected for gpu's omly and set then accordingly, F10, Yes to save any changes and with any luck windows may tell you if your system is sli-able.
7 If tou are lucky enough to make it this far then use NVC to select SLI.

Tip: sli option is found under the same tab as the PhysX option which reminds me to tell you to install PhysX drivers as well

N2 Crosses fingers and waits w/baited breath
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The 460 is a great card. I'm having a blast playing Crysis.
It sure is! 8)

One thing though: unless you oc your CPU, you definitely will not be able to get the
most out of two 460s SLI. I've done extensive research on this; GPU power at that
level requires significant CPU muscle to feed them fully. It depends on the game of
course, but the trend is very clear. I've tested with 3DMark06, 3DMark Vantage,
3DMark11, Unigine (all three), Stalker COP, X3TC and Juarez. Later I'll be testing
more fully with Viewperf, Stalker CS and my own custom Oblivion tests. See:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC

Latest info not yet added to the main pages, all done with single/dual GTX 460:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/tests-jj.txt

If I had a system with a Phenom II, I'd want it to be running at 4GHz minimum
(maybe you do though? I can't see the clock listed in your sig).

But wait a minute, I do have a Ph2 system. ;D Just not in an M2N-type rig.
It's a 965, currently in an Asrock P45XE (for AM2/CF testing), but I also have an
ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe for 2-way/3-way AMD/SLI testing (atm this board has
an Athlon II X4 635 installed):

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD...DeluxeMempipe/

I actually do have an M2N rig, but it's a bit more complicated than the ones you
guys have (M2N32 WS Professional with a 6000+); I gather there's been some
progress getting Ph2 X4s to work on it (info on ASUS forums in a thread I started
ages ago), but I've not had time to look into it again yet. Though not a system I'll
likely use again for productive work, I'd love to get it sorted out with a 965 if at
all possible, as a two-fingers up to ASUS if nothing else.

I also have an AM3 board (Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6, for AM3/CF testing), plus
a range of other boards for testing S1156 and X58 CPUs with both CF & SLI. Right
now I'm oc'ing an i3 540 though, on an Asrock P55 Deluxe with two 460s (4.25GHz
and rising. )

In October I'll be doing lots of Ph2/Athlon2 testing, but the results already show
how important good CPU power is for GPU muscle at this level. It's especially
critical for CPU-heavy games like X3TC, while other games can take good advantage
of multiple cores. A typical Intel example is the Q6600 - at stock speed, it's totally
unable to fully exploit two 4870 cards in CF, but runs nicely once oc'd. Some games
respond strongly to high clocks even when there's lots of cores available.

Note that I have other AMD CPUs to test aswell to cover all bases, including a 6000+,
Athlon II X2 250, Athlon X2 7750 and an Athlon II X2 240e, but initial efforts will
focus on the 6000+, Athlon II X4 635 and the Ph2 965 (stock and oc'd). Ditto various
other CPUs on the Intel side (P4/HT 3.4, P-D 945 3.4, E6850, whole bunch of i3/i5/i7).

Anyway, good luck with your SLI config! Don't know if it's relevant, but there are
quite a few 460s on eBay UK; just depends on whether sellers are willing to ship
abroad I suppose (most do not, which is dumb IMO, but never mind). Have to say
though, used prices are not really that good compared to just buying a new card,
pricing having dropped so low due to the new 560s.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by N2Gaming View Post
OK first things first.

First lets make sure the regular GTX 460 is the primary GPU for driver issues and pull the GTX 460SE ver out of the system then flollow below :/

1 unistall all the GPU Drivers.
2 Install only the 460 SE Driver and hope that it'll work w/the regular Non SE Version GTX 460 as well.
3 If you can get the reg. 460 working on the SE ver Driver then install the SE version.
4 reboot & let system install drivers for the newly installed SE ver card and go to the Hardware device monitor in win contrl pnl to make sure the drivers are installed and working for both gpu's.
5 Hard pwr off to place the sli bridge on both cards.
6 go intp bios and make sure there is no sli options deselected for gpu's omly and set then accordingly, F10, Yes to save any changes and with any luck windows may tell you if your system is sli-able.
7 If tou are lucky enough to make it this far then use NVC to select SLI.

Tip: sli option is found under the same tab as the PhysX option which reminds me to tell you to install PhysX drivers as well

N2 Crosses fingers and waits w/baited breath
I don't mind experimenting.

While the cards look physically identical, the system doesn't see it that way. For instance, when I swapped cards between the two slots, Windows went through the process of resetting the screen resolution to default, reinstalling drivers, and then having me reboot back in. Device manager sees both cards and labels them uniquely.

About the BIOS, unless I'm missing something, BIOS knows not of SLI. In other words, there are no selectable options I've ever seen that talk to SLI.

About your Tip on where SLI option is found in Windows, I have seen screen shots posted in other forums, so understand now what I should be seeing, but am not.

When it was said the cards had to be identical, I should really have stuck to that.
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It sure is! 8)

One thing though: unless you oc your CPU, you definitely will not be able to get the
most out of two 460s SLI. I've done extensive research on this; GPU power at that
level requires significant CPU muscle to feed them fully.

<snip>

If I had a system with a Phenom II, I'd want it to be running at 4GHz minimum
(maybe you do though? I can't see the clock listed in your sig).

<snip>

Anyway, good luck with your SLI config! Don't know if it's relevant, but there are
quite a few 460s on eBay UK; just depends on whether sellers are willing to ship
abroad I suppose (most do not, which is dumb IMO, but never mind). Have to say
though, used prices are not really that good compared to just buying a new card,
pricing having dropped so low due to the new 560s.

Cheers!

Ian.
I've been running my X4 965BE around 3.75GHz lately, but in addition overclock the mainboard so the system overall is fairly well overclocked, but not running ten tenths. For instance, FSB is at 2000MHz right now.

I'd love to be able to test a game like Crysis or Crysis 2 in SLI to see if the machine is trying to run at max performance. But I have to get the hardware sorted out first.

Cheers
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@mapesdhs:

Phenom IIs does work on thwe M2N32 Ws Pro: I have used a 555BE on my Ws Pro board.

@gr8sho:

Windows is overly sensitive to hardware changes; Having to go through the driver reinstallation procedure does not reflect how different the hardware is.

Have you tried experimenting with SLI settings using third party utilities?

If everything else fails you could try to change the device ID in the BIOS of your old 460 so the the nvidia drivers thinks that it is a SE version. You could also reflash the BIOS of your old card with a BIOS from a SE version. Of course does this is dangerous as you risk ruining your card, so you better do plenty of reading of how to go about doing something like this before you attempt it.
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Windows is overly sensitive to hardware changes; Having to go through the driver reinstallation procedure does not reflect how different the hardware is.

Have you tried experimenting with SLI settings using third party utilities?

If everything else fails you could try to change the device ID in the BIOS of your old 460 so the the nvidia drivers thinks that it is a SE version. You could also reflash the BIOS of your old card with a BIOS from a SE version. Of course does this is dangerous as you risk ruining your card, so you better do plenty of reading of how to go about doing something like this before you attempt it.
I haven't found anyone successfully run dissimilar cards like this in SLI. That's not to say that flashing BIOS won't do the job, but at this point I'd rather see if I can just match up a pair properly.
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> I've been running my X4 965BE around 3.75GHz lately, ...

Every extra helps! I suspect that the highest possible CPU clock will be the most
effective for additional gaming performance, though I've read elsewhere that
higher mem bw helps aswell.


> I'd love to be able to test a game like Crysis or Crysis 2 in SLI to see if the machine
> is trying to run at max performance. But I have to get the hardware sorted out first.

I don't have Crysis, but I should be able to establish the potential of a 965 via the
tests I'm currently using. Just takes an awful lot of time.

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DrSwizz writes:
> Phenom IIs does work on thwe M2N32 Ws Pro: I have used a 555BE on my Ws Pro board.

What BIOS are you using? The issue I ran into before was that I need the later BIOS
in order to have proper PCIX support for SCSI RAID cards. The older BIOS had issues.


> Windows is overly sensitive to hardware changes; Having to go through the driver
> reinstallation procedure does not reflect how different the hardware is.

Very true. I think Windows tracks device serial numbers. I have two identical
EVGA GTX 460 1GB FTW cards (850 core); if I swap them round, Windows redoes
the driver setup. Really dumb, UNIX systems don't behave this way.


> Have you tried experimenting with SLI settings using third party utilities?

Yes, there's that modded driver packag; I intend trying that on a Dell Precision T7500
I built, to get SLI working with Quadro cards not supported by Dell. Talk about an
outrageous lockout...

No idea if it will work, but worth a try.

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DrSwizz writes:
> Phenom IIs does work on thwe M2N32 Ws Pro: I have used a 555BE on my Ws Pro board.

What BIOS are you using? The issue I ran into before was that I need the later BIOS
in order to have proper PCIX support for SCSI RAID cards. The older BIOS had issues.
I use BIOS 1802. There is an a patched version of this BIOS posted on the Asus forum. It is made by some polish guy that apparently has updated it with a newer agesa + updated PCI-X firmware from the 2001 BIOS.
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