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You're going to have to fetch something like OCCT or Prime95 and do a stress run to know if the machine is really stable. Low 40s sounds right for a stock cooler, but should approach 60C under load.

Perhaps your case is better than the average but keep an eye on the temps. You'll need something like CoreTemp to help you monitor the temps in real time.

I don't doubt you can do 3.6 or higher. The higher the clock speed, the higher the voltage to keep things stable, but at the expense of more heat output. My case is not good enough to evacuate heat generated under load so I end up running it open.
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I like using both multi and reference clock.(250 is a good number to shoot for).More performance for the mhz.
add voltage only as needed, BSOD ect. I would not go much higher than 3.6 on the stock cooler.


Good luck

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Thanks guys. I just saw you replied and I had just edited in a comment as to avoid double posting.. Just to ake sure you saw:
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Originally Posted by NFleck View Post

OK, I have set the cpu to 3838.11 MHz (202.01 * 19)
2168436.png


I have done a benchmark with 3DMark (dx10) and now just tried the stress test on Everest, and I like Everest more I think.
Anyways, here are some images I took of benchmarks @ 3.84GHz

th_cpuid.pngth_cachemem.png
th_stabilitytest.pngth_stabilitytest2.png

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Now, I'm seeing the average core temps went from (@ idle):
  • CPU: 51.2°C
  • Core 1: 41°C
  • Core 2: 41°C
  • Core 3: 41°C
  • Core 4: 41°C

to (after ~4mins of stress testing):
  • CPU: 67.8°C
  • Core 1: 56.6°C
  • Core 2: 56.6°C
  • Core 3: 56.6°C
  • Core 4: 56.6°C

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What worries me are these temps. @ 100% cpu load, the "CPU" temp is almost 70°C.. This is bad no? The cores are only ~55°C, what is more important.. Do you think I should go back down to 3.6GHz (202 x18), and see if those temps are better, or are these temps not too bad?

I'll try stress testing @ 3.6GHz and see what kind of temps I get, and post back.

Do you mind posting a CPU-Z validation, and some benchmark temps for your system.. Something to kinda use as a reference? I know that different rigs are going to have different specs no matter what, but the similar cpu/mobo combo should still give me a genertal idea of what I need to be looking for.

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Originally Posted by Gyro View Post

I like using both multi and reference clock.(250 is a good number to shoot for).More performance for the mhz.
add voltage only as needed, BSOD ect. I would not go much higher than 3.6 on the stock cooler.


Good luck

Gyro

Do you mean where I have it set to 202MHz, try setting that to 250MHz with a lower multiplier?

EDIT:

Also fyi. This was my first time ever using thermal paste.. Do you think perhaps I didn't do a very good job? I forgot to look at a guide before reformatting/updating bios, so I just grabbed my blackberry and looked up a guide online. I found some videos on youtube, and tried to follow those. Basically, it said to use a business card and spread it very thin (almost see-thru as he put it). The other video said to use a plastic baggie on your finger, and spred it that way, focusing on where the cores are basically located. I ended up doing a sort-of combination of those, but I think I may have gotten a fingerprint on it, which I later read; on the Arctic Silver website, is bad as I may have gotten skin cells and/or skin oils into the compound itself. Do you think I should take it out and redo it now that I have read AC's guide? Or are the temps I'm getting telling me that I did an alright job?

One last thing. I'm basically wondering what are "ok" temperatures for average idle, and max load. Probably ~ 40° - 70° I'm assuming?
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I'd back it down to 3.6.
These boards do 250 easy so you should be ok jumping right up.

Try these settings ,

cpu volts- leave it where it is.
cpu/nb ht volts 1.25v
Refclock/cpu freq-250
cpu multi- x 14.5 (set in nvtools)
drop ram one notch to 667(it will be oc'd back to 800+- with the 250 refclock)
drop ht multi to x 4

run your benches again.

40 is good for idle with stock cooler,but load temps are at the safe limit.
As for reseating the cooler,It seems fine,they just not made for ocing.temps will be better when you drop the oc a little.
If you want you can switch windows power options to balanced and it will run at x 4 x 200 =800mhz,and just change back to perf when you need it.

Good luck

Gyro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyro View Post

I'd back it down to 3.6.
These boards do 250 easy so you should be ok jumping right up.

Try these settings ,

cpu volts- leave it where it is.
cpu/nb ht volts 1.25v
Refclock/cpu freq-250
cpu multi- x 14.5 (set in nvtools)
drop ram one notch to 667(it will be oc'd back to 800+- with the 250 refclock)
drop ht multi to x 4

run your benches again.

40 is good for idle with stock cooler,but load temps are at the safe limit.
As for reseating the cooler,It seems fine,they just not made for ocing.temps will be better when you drop the oc a little.
If you want you can switch windows power options to balanced and it will run at x 4 x 200 =800mhz,and just change back to perf when you need it.

Good luck

Gyro

Can you explain a couple things to me, just so I know why I am doing this:
Why set the cpu/nb ht voltage to 1.25v?
Why it's necessary to drop the ram to 667, and why does the cpu freq. change it back to 800 +/-?
Also, what's the significance of dropping the ht multi to x4?

Lastly, I would rather have it @ 3.2GHz all the time, than to have it at 4x800MHz and change when needed.. But, I think 3.6GHz sounds good. Like I said, I'd rather have complete stability and low temps, than to have an extra 200MHz of core speed, and burn it out in a year. How much does it even actually matter in day-to-day use to add 200MHz?

Also, one last question. Would I benefit from OCing my gpu a little?
CPUz says:
  • Clocks
    • Core: 135 MHz
    • Shaders: 270 MHz
    • Memory: 135 MHz
  • Memory
    • Size: 512 MBytes

Does this seem right? My GPU is a GeForce GT 240 GDDR5
Do you think OCing this a bit would help me with FPS in Skyrim, or is it a negligible gain in reality?
Skyrim recommends High settings atm, @ 3.2GHz (202 x 16) and stock GPU /w 2x2GB of (stock?) DDR2-800 Ram (PC2-6400)

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It's all explained in the guide I linked to earlier,but in short when you raise the refclock/cpu freq it also raises the ram,HT and NB freq,ocing all components instead of just the cpu freq.(which is good)
That's how ocing was done before we had BE cpu's(unlocked multi).
You get performance gain across the board,so to speak.

ocing that gfx card is not going to get you much.

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Originally Posted by Gyro View Post

I'd back it down to 3.6.
These boards do 250 easy so you should be ok jumping right up.
Try these settings ,
cpu volts- leave it where it is.
cpu/nb ht volts 1.25v
Refclock/cpu freq-250
cpu multi- x 14.5 (set in nvtools)
drop ram one notch to 667(it will be oc'd back to 800+- with the 250 refclock)
drop ht multi to x 4
run your benches again.
40 is good for idle with stock cooler,but load temps are at the safe limit.
As for reseating the cooler,It seems fine,they just not made for ocing.temps will be better when you drop the oc a little.
If you want you can switch windows power options to balanced and it will run at x 4 x 200 =800mhz,and just change back to perf when you need it.
Good luck
Gyro

This is pretty much the recipe I would say for these newer C3 processors. I don't know if a 955 scales like a 965, but if it did and I suppose it should, then another 100MHz should be achievable by moving the NB voltage up to 1.3V. I am running Skyrim at 3.9GHz and temps of around 55C with I would say 70% utilization. If not clear from sig, my system is running two GTX 460s in SLI mode which generates a little more heat. I am also OCing these GPUs a little.

By using PMT (PhenomMSRTweaker), you can implement a Cool 'n Quiet function to allow the machine to spin up to max freq as a function of load, but then drop down to 1 GHz when idle. My ambient temps tend to be typically closer to 25C and idle temps with stock cooler can be as low a 32C. Best temps are achieved with open case. Search on recent posts I've made to see how it's done. When I'm gaming, I do leave the machine in high performance mode because CnQ is too intrusive at the worst possible moments.

Cheers,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyro View Post

I'd back it down to 3.6.
These boards do 250 easy so you should be ok jumping right up.
Try these settings ,
cpu volts- leave it where it is.
cpu/nb ht volts 1.25v
Refclock/cpu freq-250
cpu multi- x 14.5 (set in nvtools)
drop ram one notch to 667(it will be oc'd back to 800+- with the 250 refclock)
drop ht multi to x 4
run your benches again.
40 is good for idle with stock cooler,but load temps are at the safe limit.
As for reseating the cooler,It seems fine,they just not made for ocing.temps will be better when you drop the oc a little.
If you want you can switch windows power options to balanced and it will run at x 4 x 200 =800mhz,and just change back to perf when you need it.
Good luck
Gyro

This is pretty much the recipe I would say for these newer C3 processors. I don't know if a 955 scales like a 965, but if it did and I suppose it should, then another 100MHz should be achievable by moving the NB voltage up to 1.3V. I am running Skyrim at 3.9GHz and temps of around 55C with I would say 70% utilization. If not clear from sig, my system is running two GTX 460s in SLI mode which generates a little more heat. I am also OCing these GPUs a little.

By using PMT (PhenomMSRTweaker), you can implement a Cool 'n Quiet function to allow the machine to spin up to max freq as a function of load, but then drop down to 1 GHz when idle. My ambient temps tend to be typically closer to 25C and idle temps with stock cooler can be as low a 32C. Best temps are achieved with open case. Search on recent posts I've made to see how it's done. When I'm gaming, I do leave the machine in high performance mode because CnQ is too intrusive at the worst possible moments.

Cheers,

I like this info, I actually do have that app but I didn't install it as I figured it was more for if you have a mobo that is compatible (w/o tweaks) with the phenom II x4's
I will give that a try. I wouldn't mind having my cpu go down to 1GHz whilst idle, but yeah.. when I'm playing Skyrim, I want it to be as good as possible w/o burning up ofc. lol

So I'll set the nb ht volts to 1.30v
cpu multi to x14.5
ram to 667
ht multi to x4.0

and see what that does for me. Thanks for the help guys.

Also, should I have "SLI compatible memory" enabled in the bios? there's also a few other options in there that are disabled that I'm not sure need to be. I'll make a list next restart and ask. Also, should these changes be done in the bios, or nvtools?
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Hello all.. have had my M2N-SLI (Not -E, not 32-SLI nor Deluxe) since about May of 2008. For as long and as often as I've frequented this site (especially this thread in particular) I am amazed I hadn't signed up long ago.

The only CPU I've had with this board has been my AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ BE which has been overclocked to a solid 3GHz simply by bumping the HT Freq. to 15x - no problem. Couple things..

For this board I have a few options as to where I can actually go without having to buy into a new socket just yet.. I like the compatibility list on post 1, but don't like to leave it to chance. I could overclock my processor just a bit more.. I've seen that others' have gone well up to 3.4GHz stable. Only problem is I currently can't take my CPU Voltage over 1.325v (I'm sure that would change with the 1103 BIOS), and without doing that it wont even run past 15.5x. Otherwise I could, and probably should, pick up some DDR2-6400 to replace the slower stuff. I'm pretty sure both Kingston and GSkill have CL4 kits available. Here's what I would like to know: Would Two Dual-Channel Kits of the same model/speed work just as well as having installed a single Quad-Channel Kit?

Also I am curious as to why, no matter how many incarnations of Windows XP and eventually 7 I've thrown at this setup.. CPU-Z, Core Temp, Nvidia Control Panel.. the whole lot of them.. give back weird results. Differing Temperatures and Voltages are among the most common. Currently Nvidia Control Panel even reports my processor to be running at a respectable 5GHz.. my temps for both cores of my processor never match.. funny stuff but I ain't laughin'. Anybody else get these same problems?

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I like this info, I actually do have that app but I didn't install it as I figured it was more for if you have a mobo that is compatible (w/o tweaks) with the phenom II x4's
I will give that a try. I wouldn't mind having my cpu go down to 1GHz whilst idle, but yeah.. when I'm playing Skyrim, I want it to be as good as possible w/o burning up ofc. lol
So I'll set the nb ht volts to 1.30v
cpu multi to x14.5
ram to 667
ht multi to x4.0
and see what that does for me. Thanks for the help guys.
Also, should I have "SLI compatible memory" enabled in the bios? there's also a few other options in there that are disabled that I'm not sure need to be. I'll make a list next restart and ask. Also, should these changes be done in the bios, or nvtools?

leave sli compatible memory disabled.
Make all but the cpu multi changes in the bios.

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Originally Posted by aarkhon View Post

Hello all.. have had my M2N-SLI (Not -E, not 32-SLI nor Deluxe) since about May of 2008. For as long and as often as I've frequented this site (especially this thread in particular) I am amazed I hadn't signed up long ago.
The only CPU I've had with this board has been my AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ BE which has been overclocked to a solid 3GHz simply by bumping the HT Freq. to 15x - no problem. Couple things..
For this board I have a few options as to where I can actually go without having to buy into a new socket just yet.. I like the compatibility list on post 1, but don't like to leave it to chance. I could overclock my processor just a bit more.. I've seen that others' have gone well up to 3.4GHz stable. Only problem is I currently can't take my CPU Voltage over 1.325v (I'm sure that would change with the 1103 BIOS), and without doing that it wont even run past 15.5x. Otherwise I could, and probably should, pick up some DDR2-6400 to replace the slower stuff. I'm pretty sure both Kingston and GSkill have CL4 kits available. Here's what I would like to know: Would Two Dual-Channel Kits of the same model/speed work just as well as having installed a single Quad-Channel Kit?
Also I am curious as to why, no matter how many incarnations of Windows XP and eventually 7 I've thrown at this setup.. CPU-Z, Core Temp, Nvidia Control Panel.. the whole lot of them.. give back weird results. Differing Temperatures and Voltages are among the most common. Currently Nvidia Control Panel even reports my processor to be running at a respectable 5GHz.. my temps for both cores of my processor never match.. funny stuff but I ain't laughin'. Anybody else get these same problems?
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Welcome,

The M2N-sli like the M2N-e are not good oc'ers.
As you have seen cpu volts are nerfed,Ram volts are 1.95v max.There is no bios fix for these.
Yes two identical kits will work,mark one set so they don't get mixed.
Your temps problems are do to wonky sensors on the Brisbane cpu's.They all have this problem.

Try dropping the cpu multi to x 14 and raise the refclock/cpu freq (5 at a time,ie 205,210,215)till you hit 3.0(14x215) then raise it 2-3 at a time, see if that gets you a little higher.

Good luck

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