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Thanks very much gyro. Last night I tried setting the cpu freq. to 250 , ram to 667, multi. to 14.5x, and the nb ht volt to 1.25 (decided to try that before attempting the 1.3 as the other guy suggested.) all in the bios. I couln't find the "drop ht multi to 4.0x" in the bios.. the closest thing I could see was in Chipset options:
  • NB to SB HT Freq: Auto
  • CPU <--> MCP55 HT Speed: 5x
  • CPU <--> MCP55 HT Width: ↓16 ↑16
  • NB <--> SB HT Speed: 5x
  • NB <--> SB HT Width: ↓16 ↑16
  • nVidia GPU Ex: Disabled (Was also curious about this. Says to enable with optimized Nvidia graphics driver. Should i have this disabled?)

So I tried setting those both to 4x, but then when I saw the setting in the nVidia CP, I figured it'd be better to change it there so I changed it back to 5x. However, as soon as I boot windows with the settings you told me (with and without those settings above set to 4x) windows just locks up. The computer just freezes. cant move mouse, ctrl+alt+del wont work, etc.
It was late o I didn't continue to try things,, I'm going to take another stab at it now, but I figured I'd just ask you so I can find out what you think as well. I'm not completely hopeless ( wink.gif ) but I do like to ask questions. Hopefully you don't mind. tongue.gif

Anyways, maybe I need to go up gradually, instead of a jump straight to 250?
I also tried reverting all of the settings to the way I had them before (202x19 or w/e, with 800MHz ram, 5x ht multi, etc.) and then changing the settings directly from the nVidia CP but again, as soon as I make the changed and click accept -- it locks up. Like I said though, it was late last night and I was getting tired so I decided to leave it until today. I'm going to take another stab at it.
Edited by NFleck - 12/28/11 at 4:42pm
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It's this one. CPU <--> MCP55 HT Speed:

I've never had any luck changing that value in NVT. Machine would always blow up. Better to set it straight away in BIOS. When you set CPU Frequency to 250MHz, the HT Bus speed will be back to 1000MHz, same as it was in stock trim.

You are running 5002 BIOS version, right? I don't remember seeing this mentioned anywhere.

Also as I mentioned before, since you are telling BIOS to run the DRAM at 667MHz, it may try to set more aggressive timings which you do not want because by increasing the CPU frequency to a higher value, in this case 250MHz, the front-side bus will now be running much faster (2000MHz compared to 1600MHz). This is why your RAM will effectively be running back at spec speed and that's why I was suggesting changing from Auto to the specific timings of your hardware. 4-4-4-12, or whatever you said previously, to hold the memory to its proper settings.

Good luck,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NFleck View Post

Also, should I have "SLI compatible memory" enabled in the bios?

Where did you see this setting? What page/tab?

As a general recommendation I was told and now follow, I disable items in BIOS that I know I'm not using. Serial and Parallel ports, on-board audio, Silicon Image SATA, legacy USB support are a few that come to mind.
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Originally Posted by gr8sho View Post

It's this one. CPU <--> MCP55 HT Speed:

I've never had any luck changing that value in NVT. Machine would always blow up. Better to set it straight away in BIOS. When you set CPU Frequency to 250MHz, the HT Bus speed will be back to 1000MHz, same as it was in stock trim.

You are running 5002 BIOS version, right? I don't remember seeing this mentioned anywhere.

Also as I mentioned before, since you are telling BIOS to run the DRAM at 667MHz, it may try to set more aggressive timings which you do not want because by increasing the CPU frequency to a higher value, in this case 250MHz, the front-side bus will now be running much faster (2000MHz compared to 1600MHz). This is why your RAM will effectively be running back at spec speed and that's why I was suggesting changing from Auto to the specific timings of your hardware. 4-4-4-12, or whatever you said previously, to hold the memory to its proper settings.

Good luck,
"the other guy" wink.gif


Yes, I am using the 5002 version of the BIOS. I wouldnt have gotten this far w/o it I don't think.. lol . I did my homework before attempting this. I got the cpu/ram for x-mas, and didn't even install it until like 12am of the 27th (December 28th effectively tongue.gif). I spent all that time researching and reading guides and info on this forum. wink.gif

I have always had my ram set manually @ 4-4-4-12-Auto (Auto made the Trc == 24 I believe)
I had the DRAM Config>Clock Freq. set to Auto, which defaulted it to 800. When you said to try setting @ 667, I just manually set it to 667 in the bios. .. (The "1st Info" group. I have listed some questions below which will show where.)


Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8sho View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by NFleck View Post

Also, should I have "SLI compatible memory" enabled in the bios?

Where did you see this setting? What page/tab?

As a general recommendation I was told and now follow, I disable items in BIOS that I know I'm not using. Serial and Parallel ports, on-board audio, Silicon Image SATA, legacy USB support are a few that come to mind.


The SLI-Ready Memory setting is in the top menu of DRAM Configuration. I have also disabled the wired network connections and the 1983 (or w/e) port.. Now that I know it wont hurt, I'll go ahead and disable the parallel ports.. But I do use on-board audio, and I use a SATA HDD.. so I should probably leave that alone, no? Also, I enabled the SMART setting, but I still get no config options in the nVidia CP for some reason.. Is my HDD not compatible with SMART?






I was going to post this in my last post, but realized it was a little bit longer, so I decided to post it as a separate reply.

Quote:
Lastly, I wanted to ask a few questions about some settings in the bios I've always wondered about.. I know I could look them up on google, but I just want to hear the opinion of an experienced OC`er. If you have time to look thru them and tell me your thoughts, feel free. If not, I'm happy to look 'em up myself:
  • DRAM Timing

    • CKE Fine Delay/Setup Time
    • 1st Info
      (These ones I seem to understand. I set them to set the timing.)
      • Tcl: 4
      • Trcd: 4
      • Trp: 4
      • Tras: 12
      • Trc: Auto (Should this be set to Auto, or should I actually select 24 or 23 or w/e it is)
    • 2nd Info
      (These ones I don't understand. Should they all be set to Auto? The guide I read said to only set the timing to 4-4-4-12, but what are all these for?)
      • Twr: Auto (6)
      • Trrd: Auto (3)
      • Trwt: Auto (5)
      • Twtr: Auto (3)
      • Trtp: Auto (3 / 5)
    • 3rd Info
      (Same here as with thye "2nd Info" group.)
      • Twrrd: Auto (1)
      • Twrwr: Auto (1)
      • Trdrd: Auto (2)
      • Tref: Auto (7)
      • Trfc: Auto (8 us-2)

  • DRAM Config
    • Clock Freq: 800MHz (Setting this to 667)
    • 1T/2T Memory Timing: Auto
    • DRAM Ganged Mode: Auto (Both of these, was wondering if they should be set, or just Auto?)
    • AI Clock Skew: Advance 150ps (Another one that always wondered about.)

    • AMD Virtualization: Enabled (I'm not sure if this was enabled by default.. I might have done that by accident as the rest were disabled by default.. Any idea?)
    • AMD CPU C1E Support: Disabled (Just one I've always wondered about.)
    • SLI-Ready Memory: Disabled (I know this one you just answered.. smile.gif)
    • AMD Live!: Disabled
    • Cool & Quiet: Disabled (I know this one needs to be disabled as per the guide I followed (page 1))

  • Advanced Memory Settings
    • DRAM Termination: Auto (This is set in ohms. Is the auto setting fine?)

  • PCIPnP
    (This is one group of settings I've always wondered about.)
    • Plug & Play OS: No (Seems like my OS would be plug & play.. no? Or is this an old options that is not useful anymore or something..? Always confused me.)
    • Resources: Auto

  • Jumper Free Config
    • CPU Freq: 202MHz (Trying to set to 250 as mentioned)
    • PCIEx16_1 Clock: Auto
    • PCIEx16_2 Clock: Auto (Should these be a manual setting, or is Auto sufficient?)
    • DDR2 Voltage: 2.1v (G.Skill says that it is compatible with 2.1 & 2.2v... Is higher better?)
    • CPU Voltage: 1.3500v
    • CPU Mutliplier: 19x (Trying to set to 14.5x as mentioned)

      • Advanced
        (Another set of settings I've always wondered about. Specifically, the DDR2 Termination setting. I used to use 1 stick of 1GB @ 667, and 2 sticks of 512MB @ 800, and sometimes I was having problems, and I was wondering if this was the problem. More info below.)
        • CPU Vcore Offset: Disabled
        • DDR2 Termination Voltage: 0.5 x DDR2 Voltage (The other option is 0.6 x DDR2 Voltage. Does this setting make a difference? Would 0.6 be better to use?)
        • CPU <--> NB HT Voltage: 1.250v
        • NB <--> SB HT Voltage: - Auto (Recently started wondering about these settings (and the two below). What are the significance of these settings in OC`ing if any? Is auto fine?)
        • NB Core / PCI-E Voltage: Auto
        • SB Core / PCI-E Voltage: Auto
        • SB Standby Core Voltage: +1.50v

    • Boot Settings
      (A couple settings I've always wondered about)
      • OS Select for DRAM > 64MB: Non-OS2
      • PEG Link Mode: Auto (Just curious if Auto & Non-OS2 are correct settings to use. Is Windows 7 a Non-OS2 OS? Always wondered about that. Another "old" option that is now obsolete perhaps?)



    Again, I realize this is a large list of questions.. And some that could be answered by googling them. If you feel that I would be better served by reading on Wikipedia perhaps, or another site, feel free to point me in that direction.. My basic thinkign was that you also use an M23N32-SLI, and you've probably seen these same settings and maybe thought the same thing.. So maybe you might already know a good deal bout thm. If not, no big deal. Thanks for all your help, and wish me luck on getting these new settings to work. I report back with my findings as soon as I get it running and stabe @ 250 x 14.5. Thanks again for all your help & guidance. I really love this OC`ing business. biggrin.gif


EDIT:

Here's a picture of my current Ram timings and such. I have it set (in BIOS) to 4-4-4-12-Auto. Should It be manually set to 4-4-4-12-24-2T?

CPUz-Memory1.jpg
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Yes, I am using the 5002 version of the BIOS. I wouldnt have gotten this far w/o it I don't think.. lol . I did my homework before attempting this. I got the cpu/ram for x-mas, and didn't even install it until like 12am of the 27th (December 28th effectively tongue.gif). I spent all that time researching and reading guides and info on this forum. wink.gif
I have always had my ram set manually @ 4-4-4-12-Auto (Auto made the Trc == 24 I believe)
I had the DRAM Config>Clock Freq. set to Auto, which defaulted it to 800. When you said to try setting @ 667, I just manually set it to 667 in the bios. .. (The "1st Info" group. I have listed some questions below which will show where.)





The SLI-Ready Memory setting is in the top menu of DRAM Configuration. I have also disabled the wired network connections and the 1983 (or w/e) port.. Now that I know it wont hurt, I'll go ahead and disable the parallel ports.. But I do use on-board audio, and I use a SATA HDD.. so I should probably leave that alone, no? Also, I enabled the SMART setting, but I still get no config options in the nVidia CP for some reason.. Is my HDD not compatible with SMART?






I was going to post this in my last post, but realized it was a little bit longer, so I decided to post it as a separate reply.


The Silicon Image SATA controller is a secondary SATA controller that enables the e-SATA connector on the I/O panel. If you're not using that, it can safely be disabled.

The CPU multiplier setting only represents a maximum value. BIOS does not actually use it to set the value or else we wouldn't need NVT or PMT. smile.gif So you can set it to 20X if you like. NVT won't allow you to exceed the value you set in BIOS.

DRAM voltage is probably okay to leave at Auto. Too much voltage will generate unnecessary heat. The SPD will tell BIOS what proper value to use for this.

AMD Virtualization is set to ON by default but should be disabled unless you intend to run virtual machines like VMWare.

C1E should be disabled.

Your DRAM timings should be fine.

DRAM config: The AI Clock skew never did much for me so I left that at Auto. When I tried the setting you wrote, my system became unstable.

About the SMART setting in BIOS, I've never seen that work in NVT for any of my four SATA drives. I don't think NVidia supported that properly or perhaps ASUS BIOS is defective in this area.

If you like, you can bump the PCIE clocks a bit, like to 105MHz or so. It's a relatively minor performance bump you probably won't notice too much.

The CPU Vcore offset is something I started using recently. It only matters to me because I use PMT, and that tool is somehow unable to manipulate both Vcore and Vid independently. The offset allows me to bump Vcore a bit more compared to Vid so I don't run the IMC too hot, but still allows me to push the CPU a bit harder.

The rest of your points seem to be okay at a quick glance.

Cheers.
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DRAM config: The AI Clock skew never did much for me so I left that at Auto. When I tried the setting you wrote, my system became unstable.

.

Which settings.. My timing settings? All of the ones in the DRAM Config section were default settings.. rolleyes.gif
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Thanks very much gyro. Last night I tried setting the cpu freq. to 250 , ram to 667, multi. to 14.5x, and the nb ht volt to 1.25 (decided to try that before attempting the 1.3 as the other guy suggested.) all in the bios. I couln't find the "drop ht multi to 4.0x" in the bios.. the closest thing I could see was in Chipset options:
  • NB to SB HT Freq: Auto
  • CPU <--> MCP55 HT Speed: 5x
  • CPU <--> MCP55 HT Width: ↓16 ↑16
  • NB <--> SB HT Speed: 5x
  • NB <--> SB HT Width: ↓16 ↑16
  • nVidia GPU Ex: Disabled (Was also curious about this. Says to enable with optimized Nvidia graphics driver. Should i have this disabled?)
So I tried setting those both to 4x, but then when I saw the setting in the nVidia CP, I figured it'd be better to change it there so I changed it back to 5x. However, as soon as I boot windows with the settings you told me (with and without those settings above set to 4x) windows just locks up. The computer just freezes. cant move mouse, ctrl+alt+del wont work, etc.
It was late o I didn't continue to try things,, I'm going to take another stab at it now, but I figured I'd just ask you so I can find out what you think as well. I'm not completely hopeless ( wink.gif ) but I do like to ask questions. Hopefully you don't mind. tongue.gif
Anyways, maybe I need to go up gradually, instead of a jump straight to 250?
I also tried reverting all of the settings to the way I had them before (202x19 or w/e, with 800MHz ram, 5x ht multi, etc.) and then changing the settings directly from the nVidia CP but again, as soon as I make the changed and click accept -- it locks up. Like I said though, it was late last night and I was getting tired so I decided to leave it until today. I'm going to take another stab at it.

The only value that needs to be changed in NVtools is the cpu multi's.All other values should be done in bios.
CPU <--> MCP55 HT Speed to x4
nVidia GPU Ex-disabled

Using the settings I suggested earlier start at 14.5 x 220(3200) and increase by 5 and test, increase by 5 and test again,till it fails then raise cpu volts two notches,test again.


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Yes, I am using the 5002 version of the BIOS. I wouldnt have gotten this far w/o it I don't think.. lol . I did my homework before attempting this. I got the cpu/ram for x-mas, and didn't even install it until like 12am of the 27th (December 28th effectively tongue.gif). I spent all that time researching and reading guides and info on this forum. wink.gif

I have always had my ram set manually @ 4-4-4-12-Auto (Auto made the Trc == 24 I believe) Those timings are fine.
I had the DRAM Config>Clock Freq. set to Auto, which defaulted it to 800. When you said to try setting @ 667, I just manually set it to 667 in the bios. .. (The "1st Info" group. I have listed some questions below which will show where.)


Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8sho View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by NFleck View Post

Also, should I have "SLI compatible memory" enabled in the bios?

Where did you see this setting? What page/tab?

As a general recommendation I was told and now follow, I disable items in BIOS that I know I'm not using. Serial and Parallel ports, on-board audio, Silicon Image SATA, legacy USB support are a few that come to mind.


The SLI-Ready Memory setting is in the top menu of DRAM Configuration. I have also disabled the wired network connections and the 1983 (or w/e) port.. Now that I know it wont hurt, I'll go ahead and disable the parallel ports.. But I do use on-board audio, and I use a SATA HDD.. so I should probably leave that alone, no? Also, I enabled the SMART setting, but I still get no config options in the nVidia CP for some reason.. Is my HDD not compatible with SMART?






I was going to post this in my last post, but realized it was a little bit longer, so I decided to post it as a separate reply.

Quote:
Lastly, I wanted to ask a few questions about some settings in the bios I've always wondered about.. I know I could look them up on google, but I just want to hear the opinion of an experienced OC`er. If you have time to look thru them and tell me your thoughts, feel free. If not, I'm happy to look 'em up myself:
  • DRAM Timing

    • CKE Fine Delay/Setup Time - 1st info are the only ones you need to worry about.Info 2-3 are subtimings and should not be changed.
    • 1st Info
      (These ones I seem to understand. I set them to set the timing.)
      • Tcl: 4
      • Trcd: 4
      • Trp: 4
      • Tras: 12
      • Trc: Auto (Should this be set to Auto, or should I actually select 24 or 23 or w/e it is)
    • 2nd Info
      (These ones I don't understand. Should they all be set to Auto? The guide I read said to only set the timing to 4-4-4-12, but what are all these for?)
      • Twr: Auto (6)
      • Trrd: Auto (3)
      • Trwt: Auto (5)
      • Twtr: Auto (3)
      • Trtp: Auto (3 / 5)
    • 3rd Info
      (Same here as with thye "2nd Info" group.)
      • Twrrd: Auto (1)
      • Twrwr: Auto (1)
      • Trdrd: Auto (2)
      • Tref: Auto (7)
      • Trfc: Auto (8 us-2)

  • DRAM Config
    • Clock Freq: 800MHz (Setting this to 667) ok
    • 1T/2T Memory Timing: Auto ok
    • DRAM Ganged Mode: Auto (Both of these, was wondering if they should be set, or just Auto?) ok,auto will default to unganged,which is what you want
    • AI Clock Skew: Advance 150ps (Another one that always wondered about.) leave this on auto,it basically syncs the ram

    • AMD Virtualization: Enabled (I'm not sure if this was enabled by default.. I might have done that by accident as the rest were disabled by default.. Any idea?) disable unlees you are running vm's
    • AMD CPU C1E Support: Disabled (Just one I've always wondered about.) disabled,this is a power saving function
    • SLI-Ready Memory: Disabled (I know this one you just answered.. smile.gif) ok
    • AMD Live!: Disabled
    • Cool & Quiet: Disabled (I know this one needs to be disabled as per the guide I followed (page 1)) ok

  • Advanced Memory Settings
    • DRAM Termination: Auto (This is set in ohms. Is the auto setting fine?)
    yes leave on auto

  • PCIPnP
    (This is one group of settings I've always wondered about.)
    • Plug & Play OS: No (Seems like my OS would be plug & play.. no? Or is this an old options that is not useful anymore or something..? Always confused me.) No
    • Resources: Auto
    ok

  • Jumper Free Config
    • CPU Freq: 202MHz (Trying to set to 250 as mentioned)
    • PCIEx16_1 Clock: Auto ok
    • PCIEx16_2 Clock: Auto (Should these be a manual setting, or is Auto sufficient?) ok,leave on auto, or set manually too 100
    • DDR2 Voltage: 2.1v (G.Skill says that it is compatible with 2.1 & 2.2v... Is higher better?) 2.1 is ok
    • CPU Voltage: 1.3500v you will have raise this as needed
    • CPU Mutliplier: 19x (Trying to set to 14.5x as mentioned) set to 20 in bios and change in NVtools

      • Advanced
        (Another set of settings I've always wondered about. Specifically, the DDR2 Termination setting. I used to use 1 stick of 1GB @ 667, and 2 sticks of 512MB @ 800, and sometimes I was having problems, and I was wondering if this was the problem. More info below.)
        • CPU Vcore Offset: Disabled only really needed for extreme oc
        • DDR2 Termination Voltage: 0.5 x DDR2 Voltage (The other option is 0.6 x DDR2 Voltage. Does this setting make a difference? Would 0.6 be better to use?) auto leave on auto
        • CPU <--> NB HT Voltage: 1.250v ok for now
        • NB <--> SB HT Voltage: - Auto (Recently started wondering about these settings (and the two below). What are the significance of these settings in OC`ing if any? Is auto fine?) No effect on ocing leave on auto
        • NB Core / PCI-E Voltage: Auto ok
        • SB Core / PCI-E Voltage: Auto ok
        • SB Standby Core Voltage: +1.50v
      ok

    • Boot Settings
      (A couple settings I've always wondered about)
      • OS Select for DRAM > 64MB: Non-OS2 ok
      • PEG Link Mode: Auto (Just curious if Auto & Non-OS2 are correct settings to use. Is Windows 7 a Non-OS2 OS? Always wondered about that. Another "old" option that is now obsolete perhaps?)
      yes obsolete



    Again, I realize this is a large list of questions.. And some that could be answered by googling them. If you feel that I would be better served by reading on Wikipedia perhaps, or another site, feel free to point me in that direction.. My basic thinkign was that you also use an M23N32-SLI, and you've probably seen these same settings and maybe thought the same thing.. So maybe you might already know a good deal bout thm. If not, no big deal. Thanks for all your help, and wish me luck on getting these new settings to work. I report back with my findings as soon as I get it running and stabe @ 250 x 14.5. Thanks again for all your help & guidance. I really love this OC`ing business. biggrin.gif


EDIT:

Here's a picture of my current Ram timings and such. I have it set (in BIOS) to 4-4-4-12-Auto. Should It be manually set to 4-4-4-12-24-2T?

CPUz-Memory1.jpg

See inside quote for answers.
hope I got them all

Good luck

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Thank you very much.

I now have my pc stable @ 3616.2MHz (249.4 x 14.5) with all of the settings you said to set.


Now, I'm interested in using PMT to have my cpu step down whilst not gaming. What I'm wondering is if I should have nVidia CP set to load my custom profile, and have PMT set to load it's settings on start-up as well..? Or just PMT?

Also, PMT has some odd voltage settings in my mind.. Why is it set to 1.0500v for CPU VID & NB VID? Also, it seems odd to me that p4 has my multi's set to 16x, when my max should only be 14.5x ..?

Lastly, in the Service tab, I have set balanced to use P-State bounds 1-4, but I want to use High Performance for gaming so I set it to 0-0. Is this correct?
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Try the settings used here(use 14.5 multi and 1.35v cpu(in cpu-z) for P0,) http://www.overclock.net/t/366989/official-asus-m2n-sli-and-m2n32-sli-club/9570#post_15904167

Use only pmt or the nvtools, not both.they may conflict.

Run your benches again and see the improvement.

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