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Hey all, new to the site, and I'm having some troubles with upgrades I've recently made to an old M2N32-SLI Deluxe. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Let me start out with the specs before my upgrades:
Thermaltake Armor (old school, no giant side panel fan)
580w Hiper PSU
8 Gigs Mushkin Ram
M2N32-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon X2 6000+ (Zalman CPU cooler)
4 WD Caviar Blacks running in Raid for storage
1 WD Caviar Black running my Windows partition
Auzentech HDA Xplosion sound card
2 GeForce 9800 GTs (512Mbs) in SLI (technically I would count one of those cards as part of the new build, but since it was a cheap ebay purchase I tested it in the old system to make sure it worked... and by tested I mean I put in about 150 hours of skyrim without incident so I don't think the SLI is the problem)
Upgrades:
AMD Phenom II X4 925
Second GeForce 9800 GT (again, thoroughly tested in old build without incident)
64G Samsung SSD
several new fans/ LED light bars
Upgrading the Build:
- updated the BIOS on the M2N32-SLI Deluxe to the latest 5002 revision
- took everything completely apart
- painted the inside of the case and added new fan holes/ holes for better cable management
- added more fans/ LED light bars
*- while installing a clean copy of Windows 7 64bit on the SSD, the process would hang/ lock up at the "starting windows" screen. After removing parts piece by piece I found that I could install by removing one stick of RAM. I figured I just had a bad stick and I would memtest everything once I installed Windows. This led to:
Problem #1:
- after installing Windows and getting everything up and running I decided to run memtest86+ on all my Ram to see what the problem was
- all 4 sticks tested clean INDIVIDUALLY after 2 passes (including the one I had removed to install windows)
- when 4 sticks are installed Windows restarts at the "starting windows" screen AND memtest freezes after just a few seconds
- when 3 sticks are installed (any combination of 3 works) Windows will start fine AND memtest runs clean after 2 passes
- I have made no adjustments in the BIOS to voltage/ timings and did no overclocking on the CPU (I did notice that by default the BIOS does NOT run the recommended timings for my Ram, but didn't change them because I do not have the knowledge to do so (yet))
I thought this was all annoying, but I could live with 6gigs of Ram, until...
Problem #2:
- soon after I got Windows and all my programs installed and put together I started getting freezes/ lock ups
- the screen would freeze, sound would stutter, ctr alt delete did nothing and I would have to turn off the computer to restart
- at first they were fairly intermittent, but they soon became more frequent
- I made sure all my drivers were up to date, temps were good, anything else I could think of
- I then did a second totally clean install of Windows... same results
- after that I tried putting the OLD HD back in and doing a clean install of windows
- this has mostly alleviated the problem, but I have gotten 2-3 of those freezes/ lock ups
Are these problems one and the same? Is this all a ram issue? Should I adjust the ram settings? Could it be a power issue (don't see why, but I am reaching the limit on the 580W supply I bet)? Is the SSD just faulty, or does it come back to this weird ram problem?
Any help is greatly appreciated! Also I apologize if this was covered somewhere else but I could not find much help when searching. Thanks again!
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Ok, try raising Cpu to NB HT volts to 1.30v.(in jumperfree config/advanced voltage control).
So the 4 sticks ran fine with the 6000?
Can you post a link to your ram,please.
Gyro
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Thanks for the help... but I may have found the problem...
In the interim here's the other things I tried:
- lowing the Ram speed down a notch to 666
- increasing the Ram voltage all the way up to 2.15 (they were rated to go up to 2.1 so I figure this wouldn't fry them just for a test)
- unplugging the Raid array
- unplugging various other components
And finally, since I have been trying to get this to work for the last several days, I pulled the new CPU and put in the old one. All the new stuff, just the old CPU... everything works fine again. All four sticks of Ram are running and the SSD is currently running with no lock ups. I am currently running a bunch of programs, downloading stuff, playing pandora and have several windows open. I'm going to open up some Deus Ex later tonight and see how that runs. I will reserve judgement on the SSD problem till more testing happens, but so far so good.
My question now is the Phenom I had just bad, or is it the architecture of the new chip in general? Either way I'm going to RMA this chip and get a new one.
I'll update later tonight and tomorrow about the SSD and the locking up situation.
Edit: And since you asked, here is a link to my Ram description:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146726

Hey all, back again after getting my replacement Phenom 925 in the mail. Put it in the machine... same problem. Restarts at the "Starting Windows" screen.

@Gyro: Also tried upping the CPU to NB to 1.3V... nothing.

Anyone have any other suggestions? The system has been running solid in the week I've been waiting for the replacement to come in. Am I just doomed to take the 80$ hit on this new proc?
Edited by theproffessor - 1/13/12 at 3:57pm
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Can you boot into safe mode?
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Welcome Trynthlas,

With your multi OS setup I would stick to a cpu that does not require the use of the NVtool/PMT workaround,those being the x4 955-980.
The x4 830 is a rebranded x4 925 and is cheaper, both are plug and play(with 5002 bios).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103993
The 560 would go well with that cpu.


Good luck

Gyro
So no real difference in the 830 and 925? What kind of gain am I looking at going from my current CPU to one of those? I know some simple comparison sites but that doesn't really give me the details on things like gaming performance boosts.

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I can't see your config. Do you have all those OS on the same physical drive or on separate drives?

My copy of Windows 7 is also an upgrade version, but that shouldn't stop you from having a W7 only install.

I like my Nvidia GTX 460s, so I see no reason you won't like the 560. If you do gaming, consider buying a second one and running them in SLI.

If you can figure out a way to say keep Linux on a separate bootable drive and use BIOS to pick the boot order, then I recommend the AMD 975, but if you are going to rely on Linux to run the processor at full speed, I would have to defer to others on how to do that.

Have fun!
Do I have to change a setting somewhere for you to be able to see my "Rig" on the site?

The 3 OSes are on two physical drives. XP + Linux on one (the Seagate) and Win7 on the WD Raptor. How can you do a Win7-only install with the upgrade disk? A bit off topic I know, but a link or maybe PM it to me?



The impetus to upgrade the CPU is that by moving to the GTX 560 card, I think my current CPU would then become a rather big bottleneck by comparison. I'm hoping that the phenom II x4 830 or 925 will keep them relatively in line...yes/no?
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@gr8sho

Nope... Won't run any kind of windows at all. It also won't boot windows setup in this configuration.

Whatever the problem is, it definitely seems ram oriented. As in, for some reason this processor with my old ram do not get along. After doing some searching I saw someone else having problems with 4 sticks of ram and the Phenom 925 on a different site... no one was able to help them from what I could tell.
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@gr8sho
Nope... Won't run any kind of windows at all. It also won't boot windows setup in this configuration.
Whatever the problem is, it definitely seems ram oriented. As in, for some reason this processor with my old ram do not get along. After doing some searching I saw someone else having problems with 4 sticks of ram and the Phenom 925 on a different site... no one was able to help them from what I could tell.

Can you try with only one bank of RAM? Also, do you have RAID set to on in BIOS?
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Do I have to change a setting somewhere for you to be able to see my "Rig" on the site?
The 3 OSes are on two physical drives. XP + Linux on one (the Seagate) and Win7 on the WD Raptor. How can you do a Win7-only install with the upgrade disk? A bit off topic I know, but a link or maybe PM it to me?
The impetus to upgrade the CPU is that by moving to the GTX 560 card, I think my current CPU would then become a rather big bottleneck by comparison. I'm hoping that the phenom II x4 830 or 925 will keep them relatively in line...yes/no?

To your first question, I know I have a "rig" defined and that it just becomes part of my signature. When you create a rig in your profile, it asks you to tell it the components you have. I believe they now have an applet that you can download to upload info.

On the second question, you can go the long way of course by installing XP on the drive and then putting 7 over it. Supposedly that will set a flag somewhere allowing the 7 install to accept the product key. Or you can call M$ and ask them to walk you through it. You can try PMing me and I will see if I can dig up the instructions. It has to do with performing the install of the OS, and then going and modifying the registry (I can't remember which atm) and then running the wizard again to add the key.

What I can tell you about my 965 running at close to 3.9MHz, is that with two 460s I am not bottlenecked on CPU.

My only worry about the higher-end Phenom IIs, is that I can't advise you on how to handle your Linux install, so if you depend on that and no one can suggest a solution, you're better off going with the smaller CPU as Gyro suggested.
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Can you try with only one bank of RAM? Also, do you have RAID set to on in BIOS?

Yeah, one stick will work... and actually all the way up to 3 sticks will work. When running with 3 sticks of ram, I get random freezes/ lock ups.

And yeah, I have RAID set to on... but I have tried booting with it off. I've also tried pulling all non-essential hardware. No avail.
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Hi all, new to the site here but finding lots of useful info already. Hoping the ASUS club for this board can help me with some upgrade decisions...
My current CPU-Z:
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I've also set up my Rig under my profile.
I am looking at two of the Phenom II X4s for a CPU upgrade, as well as a graphics card upgrade.
CPU 1: X4 925 2.8 GHz - this one is listed as supported (http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/list.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=M2N32-SLI%20Deluxe&p=1)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103940
CPU 2: X4 975 3.6 GHz - I'm not sure if I can get this one to work, but it would be my preferred route if it is possible and stable!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103923
I use my PC for work (programming), general use, and gaming. I've got a rather convoluted boot setup due to having Win7 upgrade instead of full. GRUB pops first and allows choice of a few versions of Ubuntu Linux kernels or the Windows launcher. Windows launcher allows Win7 or "older versions" - the older version is my old XP which is only installed as a base to "upgrade" to Win7. Not sure if any of that is relevant but trying to provide as much info as I can that might be needed.
For the graphics card upgrade, I've pretty much decided on a GTX 560 1GB, which I found for $150 after rebate smile.gif
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/770542-REG/PNY_Technologies_VCGGTX560XPB_nVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_560.html
Looking for opinions, suggestions, and help with the CPU choice and how-to. Comments on the graphics card welcome as well, but getting the right CPU and getting it work with the mobo is the main concern of course!
Thanks.

If you are not planning on overclocking, I would suggest going for the higher end phenom II's so that your 560 does not get bottlenecked. The 965 is sufficient enough and if you ever plan to run SLI, you're going to need at least 3.8-4.0GHz. I was told when I bought my 570 to have a phenom II clocked at least 3.4Ghz to avoid any issues with bottlenecking and 570 cuts though anything I do. A couple pages back was a user that bought a Phenom II 830 (2.8Ghz) and it sounded like his 560 was bottlenecking from the low clock speed of the 830.
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Can you try with only one bank of RAM? Also, do you have RAID set to on in BIOS?

So after a little more testing I can confirm that one stick runs stable... or at least it has for the last hour or so several hours. Two-three sticks and windows will boot but I get random crashes/ lockups/ freezes. Four sticks and windows will not boot.

All sticks have been tested with memtest, and all dimm slots have been tested.

With the exact same rig but with an AMD Athlon x2 6000+ everything runs fine.

In the bios I have tried (all individually and in various configurations):
-upping the CPU Voltage
-upping the CPU-NB voltage
-upping the ram voltage
-decreasing the ram frequency
-clearing CMOS
-upping the NB Core/PCI-E Voltage

Of course any more insights are greatly appreciated... but if it comes down to it, what would you guys choose? Athlon X2 6000+ with 8 gigs of ram, or Phenom X4 with 2 gigs of ram? I don't do any HEAVY multitasking, but I do run two monitors, and usually have several windows open/ pandora or VLC/ utorrent/ digsby, etc. Most of the biggest stresses on my rig come from gaming... but that's not usually ram intensive.

Sigh... I wish the damn thing would just work. At least it looks cool now with all sorts of green lights and punisher fan grillz and what not.
Edited by theproffessor - 1/13/12 at 11:44pm
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So after a little more testing I can confirm that one stick runs stable... or at least it has for the last hour or so several hours. Two-three sticks and windows will boot but I get random crashes/ lockups/ freezes. Four sticks and windows will not boot.
All sticks have been tested with memtest, and all dimm slots have been tested.
With the exact same rig but with an AMD Athlon x2 6000+ everything runs fine.
In the bios I have tried (all individually and in various configurations):
-upping the CPU Voltage
-upping the CPU-NB voltage
-upping the ram voltage
-decreasing the ram frequency
-clearing CMOS
-upping the NB Core/PCI-E Voltage
Of course any more insights are greatly appreciated... but if it comes down to it, what would you guys choose? Athlon X2 6000+ with 8 gigs of ram, or Phenom X4 with 2 gigs of ram? I don't do any HEAVY multitasking, but I do run two monitors, and usually have several windows open/ pandora or VLC/ utorrent/ digsby, etc. Most of the biggest stresses on my rig come from gaming... but that's not usually ram intensive.
Sigh... I wish the damn thing would just work. At least it looks cool now with all sorts of green lights and punisher fan grillz and what not.


There are more memory settings that you could try adjusting, but given that you have tried so many things already, I doubt that you will get it to work alright with all your memory, but perhaps you will be able to get your system to run with two memory sticks?
4GB memory and the 925 would be way better than any of the combinations you listed.

You could try setting the RAM timings manually, adjust memory clock skew (+150 on both memory channels always seem to work best for me), try different settings for DRAM termination as well as DRAM drive strengths.
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