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There are more memory settings that you could try adjusting, but given that you have tried so many things already, I doubt that you will get it to work alright with all your memory, but perhaps you will be able to get your system to run with two memory sticks?
4GB memory and the 925 would be way better than any of the combinations you listed.
You could try setting the RAM timings manually, adjust memory clock skew (+150 on both memory channels always seem to work best for me), try different settings for DRAM termination as well as DRAM drive strengths.

The reason I was thinking to run only using one bank is that this would at least remove that variable, and Windows 7 64-bit works perfectly fine with 4GB of RAM.

As for the other settings you're recommending, especially the latter two, if he could actually get a stable system changng these, then something must be amiss with the SPD since the whole purpose of SPD is to get the DRAM setup in a somewhat foolproof manner, and especially since there isn't really esoteric about the config, as in mostly stock.
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Yeah, one stick will work... and actually all the way up to 3 sticks will work. When running with 3 sticks of ram, I get random freezes/ lock ups.

And yeah, I have RAID set to on... but I have tried booting with it off. I've also tried pulling all non-essential hardware. No avail.

There was a point in time that made me panic, perhaps much like how you feel now, where I had tried experimenting with the RAID setting. I was told that RAID is a superset function that today assumes AHCI support, but it turns out not to be true for the 590-SLI chipset. So after I set RAID on, I tried to use the system but it was pretty much non-functional.
(At some point int the not too distant future I want to run a RAID setup but am lacking matching drives.)

Have you considered trying to see if you can boot up into a Linux CD ISO image, or perhaps a bootable DOS image?

I've read your other posts and I do see that you can achieve some success in a reduced configuration, but beyond the suggestions offered to play with DRAM settings, can't think of any other suggestions.
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@ theproffessor, I would also try posting over here http://mushkingames.com/phpbb2/ they may be able to help with subtimings that might help.


Good luck

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The reason I was thinking to run only using one bank is that this would at least remove that variable, and Windows 7 64-bit works perfectly fine with 4GB of RAM.
As for the other settings you're recommending, especially the latter two, if he could actually get a stable system changng these, then something must be amiss with the SPD since the whole purpose of SPD is to get the DRAM setup in a somewhat foolproof manner, and especially since there isn't really esoteric about the config, as in mostly stock.

Well, yes, that was what was thinking.
In theory everything should work alright automatically, but personally I do not really trust all these automatic features. I have too often experienced how things don't work as they should.
Also, there is more the memory configuration that the timings. If the drive strengths & termination are configured wrong, the memory will work poorly or not at at. I had an issue with this on my M2N32 Premium board. I had adjust the drive strengths manually to achieve memory overclockability similar to what I had on my Deluxe board (Asus fixed this in later BIOSes).


I forgot to mention the memory ganged/unganged option above. It does not hurt changing this option too.
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I bought the Phenom II X4 CPU 960T before you read this site ... hehehe!
I read the history on the Phenom II X4 CPU 960T. In the responses that were said not for M2N32-SLI motherboard.
I tested it anyway! What do you recommend for me to take care to put this CPU?


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Well, yes, that was what was thinking.
In theory everything should work alright automatically, but personally I do not really trust all these automatic features. I have too often experienced how things don't work as they should.
Also, there is more the memory configuration that the timings. If the drive strengths & termination are configured wrong, the memory will work poorly or not at at. I had an issue with this on my M2N32 Premium board. I had adjust the drive strengths manually to achieve memory overclockability similar to what I had on my Deluxe board (Asus fixed this in later BIOSes).
I forgot to mention the memory ganged/unganged option above. It does not hurt changing this option too.

My reaction to this is a bit depressing because of the need to invest significant time and research to get parts to work properly.

In retrospect, this is a quite similar to my experience trying to bring to OCZ attention that their Sandforce II based drives were NOT working correctly with NVidia chipsets. Their current solution for this issue is to disable automatic link detection and force the drive into SATA-2 mode!! On top of that, it took more than four months to even get this.
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Hey, thanks again for all your input. I woke up today and found my rig had frozen some time during the night.... soooo it seems that while one stick of ram is much more stable, it still isn't totally stable.
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Originally Posted by DrSwizz View Post

There are more memory settings that you could try adjusting, but given that you have tried so many things already, I doubt that you will get it to work alright with all your memory, but perhaps you will be able to get your system to run with two memory sticks?
4GB memory and the 925 would be way better than any of the combinations you listed.
You could try setting the RAM timings manually, adjust memory clock skew (+150 on both memory channels always seem to work best for me), try different settings for DRAM termination as well as DRAM drive strengths.

@DrSwizz: I'll be honest here, I was trying various settings in the bios that were suggested to me/ things I thought might work after doing a very cursory amount of research into OC'ing and ram stability. I have not OC'ed my system before (other than GPU, but that's all software based) and don't have the knowledge yet to really know what I'm doing when I get in there and tinker with the BIOS. That being said, I have been get learning a lot more because of this problem!
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The reason I was thinking to run only using one bank is that this would at least remove that variable, and Windows 7 64-bit works perfectly fine with 4GB of RAM.
As for the other settings you're recommending, especially the latter two, if he could actually get a stable system changng these, then something must be amiss with the SPD since the whole purpose of SPD is to get the DRAM setup in a somewhat foolproof manner, and especially since there isn't really esoteric about the config, as in mostly stock.

SPD?
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Originally Posted by DrSwizz View Post

Well, yes, that was what was thinking.
In theory everything should work alright automatically, but personally I do not really trust all these automatic features. I have too often experienced how things don't work as they should.
Also, there is more the memory configuration that the timings. If the drive strengths & termination are configured wrong, the memory will work poorly or not at at. I had an issue with this on my M2N32 Premium board. I had adjust the drive strengths manually to achieve memory overclockability similar to what I had on my Deluxe board (Asus fixed this in later BIOSes).
I forgot to mention the memory ganged/unganged option above. It does not hurt changing this option too.

Drive strength & terminations?

Again, thanks for all your help, and if you get any more ideas about any settings I might change, send em my way.
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My reaction to this is a bit depressing because of the need to invest significant time and research to get parts to work properly.

Yes, you are right that thorough testing certainly requires that you spend plenty of time & energy. However some quick and dirty with the settings I listed above (except maybe the drive strengths) should reveal if it is worth do further testing.

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In retrospect, this is a quite similar to my experience trying to bring to OCZ attention that their Sandforce II based drives were NOT working correctly with NVidia chipsets. Their current solution for this issue is to disable automatic link detection and force the drive into SATA-2 mode!! On top of that, it took more than four months to even get this.

Ouch! That does not sound very professional.
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SUCCESS!!! (or at least progress... we'll see if it locks up)

@DrSwizz: I think your rec for changing to ganged mode did it!

After more tinkering I tried altering these settings (everything else is left on auto):
CPU-NB Voltage: 1.3v
ddr2 Voltage: 2.1V
Ganged/ Unganged: Set to Ganged mode

With those settings I was able to run 2 sticks for about an hour, pandora, chrome, digsby, utorrent, and some light gaming. I then decided to just give it a try and put all 4 sticks in... and it worked! I've only been running for about 5-10 min, so I will have a better idea later on if it's truly fixed, but considering it wouldn't even boot before, this is a good sign. Now I'm curious, what exactly does the ganged/ unganged setting do?

BTW: thanks again for all the help! I NEVER would have figured this out on my own.
Edited by theproffessor - 1/14/12 at 3:54pm
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Okay, I fixed the Windows 7 64 install problem... I spent the whole night fighting with the computer to find the solution... I had to dig out a SATA optical drive from storage that I thought was bricked by a bad firmware update...

Turns out my old ASUS DRW-2014L1T somehow survived a botched firmware upgrade via ASUS update under Windows XP some time ago... I jogged the drive by using an external (not attached to a pc) power supply and the drive powered on and ejected/closed but I didn't think it would read a disc or come up in system BIOS after that fiasco...

So the good news is not only did I get Windows 7 64 installed but my optical drive is back from the dead somehow biggrin.gif

Still sorting the RAM issues... I may just cave and buy a 2x2GB kit to dodge these voltage problems with the motherboard settings and IMC...


theproffessor is having the same trouble with 4 sticks, and may have found a solution.
He has found that changing the ram to ganged has allowed him to boot,I suggest you try it also.(fingers crossed)

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