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Lots going on here. Let me temper this by saying I'm not unhappy with the setup I have now. But I don't want to leave any speed "on the table", which is why this topic interests me.
What it seems to me is that the Deneb family can't push CPU/NB speed past 2000MHz reliably, although I've seen for myself that I can push CPU Frequency past 250MHz under certain conditions. I don't have any other data points to compare to. But there may be more to this I haven't figured out.

You are experiencing a limit of 2000MHz because this is how far your CPU/NB can be pushed using whatever voltage the M2N32 boards provides it with (perhaps 1.2V?). Using an AM2+, AM3(+) board you too can simply overvolt the CPU/NB a bit and push increase the clock frequency to perhaps 2600-2800MHz.
Note: The "CPU to NB HT voltage" setting that the M2N32 features only seems to adjust the voltage for the HT link itself and not the actual CPU/NB.

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Since you could, why don't you? wink.gif
I'm sure I've seen this problem myself with the Corsair DRAM I have. I'm not really interested in spending any more money on DDR2 RAM though to test this out. I had some older .5GB sticks that I used to push CPU Frequency to 300MHz I think, so that's one reason why I subscribe to this idea. I just don't understand why the IMC throws up with the other RAM I have.

Sure, sounds like a good idea. The CHV is something I'm eying but I want do some more research on cases and RAM since I'll likely be purchasing all those items together. I just learned recently that my 965BE can only support 1600MHz speed on the memory interface. Eventually I guess I'll have to upgrade the processor to one of the newer Bulldozer CPUs.

Well, although 1600 is the highest setting ("multiplier") the IMC supports you can push the memory further by increasing the HT reference clock. The Deneb CPUs seem to hit a memory frequency "wall" slightly below 2000MHz.


Since we are speaking of potenbtial upgrades, I recommend that you take a look at the memory subforum at xtremesystems (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/ I cannot give you a direct link right now since that forum it down at the moment). There is a thread there dedicated to some kind of new 30nm DDR3 Samsung memory modules that are cheap and highly overclockable. You might want to take a look at those.
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You are experiencing a limit of 2000MHz because this is how far your CPU/NB can be pushed using whatever voltage the M2N32 boards provides it with (perhaps 1.2V?). Using an AM2+, AM3(+) board you too can simply overvolt the CPU/NB a bit and push increase the clock frequency to perhaps 2600-2800MHz.
Note: The "CPU to NB HT voltage" setting that the M2N32 features only seems to adjust the voltage for the HT link itself and not the actual CPU/NB.

Thanks. Never really sure about these things and of course my interpretation of what it did not mesh with the reality of how the hardware was built.
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Well, although 1600 is the highest setting ("multiplier") the IMC supports you can push the memory further by increasing the HT reference clock. The Deneb CPUs seem to hit a memory frequency "wall" slightly below 2000MHz.
Since we are speaking of potenbtial upgrades, I recommend that you take a look at the memory subforum at xtremesystems (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/ I cannot give you a direct link right now since that forum it down at the moment). There is a thread there dedicated to some kind of new 30nm DDR3 Samsung memory modules that are cheap and highly overclockable. You might want to take a look at those.

That's good to know. Samsung is an interesting company.
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Yes it is sli compatible, however my new psu only has two 6pin (1x6, 1x6+2) connectors, so sli is something I wont be doing any time soon. I'm quite happy with it as is anyways compared to my previous two cards (radeon x1600 --> geforce gt 240 gddr5).

Going to reinstall skyrim and check out all these new updates... and I'm sure there's a slew of new mods with the Creation Kit being released as well. biggrin.gif

As for the voltage settings, yes I use PMT with [ 14.5 @ 1.2375 VID || 10.0 @ 1.2000 || 4.0 @ 1.0500 ]
In the bios I use 1.375v or something for the cpu, and 1.25 cpu/nb ht volt, and 1.30v for the nb volt (just off the top of my head.might have to double check it)

My temps are great and my system is completely stable thus far. So maybe I'll just keep my settings as-is for now but next restart I will take note of my settings and get back toyou just to make sure.

Where on CPUz does it tell me my vcore voltage?
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Yes it is sli compatible, however my new psu only has two 6pin (1x6, 1x6+2) connectors, so sli is something I wont be doing any time soon. I'm quite happy with it as is anyways compared to my previous two cards (radeon x1600 --> geforce gt 240 gddr5).
Going to reinstall skyrim and check out all these new updates... and I'm sure there's a slew of new mods with the Creation Kit being released as well. biggrin.gif
As for the voltage settings, yes I use PMT with [ 14.5 @ 1.2375 VID || 10.0 @ 1.2000 || 4.0 @ 1.0500 ]
In the bios I use 1.375v or something for the cpu, and 1.25 cpu/nb ht volt, and 1.30v for the nb volt (just off the top of my head.might have to double check it)
My temps are great and my system is completely stable thus far. So maybe I'll just keep my settings as-is for now but next restart I will take note of my settings and get back toyou just to make sure.
Where on CPUz does it tell me my vcore voltage?

Should be right at the middle top.

Skyrim mods are probably close to 300 already, but to be honest, not enough there to excite me on an 81.5 level character.
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Yeah I havnt made it that far yet. I like to take my time. I'm only in my second or third city. Although my char got "drunk" one night with another guy and I woke up half way across the "world".. lol.

Anyways I open HardwareMonitorPro, and it says my vcore voltage is 1.36. CPU idles @ ~ 42°C at all times, whether or not I have PMT @ 250x4.0, or 250x14.5. I also put my side back on the case when I installed the new psu/gpu, and temps are around the same still so.. iunno.

After I play some Skyrim, i'll let you know what my load temps are, and tonight I'll run some stress tests maybe.
One thing that's strange is my GPU is always idling at higher temps. You can see with the GT 240 GDDR5, I had some problems: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198173/gt-240-heat#post_16194544

And now, the GTX 275 idles @ 55°C with a 0% load.. Should I be increasing the default fan speed with nVidia Inspector (it says the fan is 40% speed by default.. is it ok to set this higher, like maybe 50-60%?)

MY GPU Temp sidebar gadget says--
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Temp: 55°C
Fan: [ 40% ]
GPU: [ 0% ]
123MB/896MB
648MHz/ 1152MHz @ 1.17V

These values fluctuate very little.. +/- 1 on gpu and ram usage whilst idling; reading the forums here.
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Looks like my previous post was eaten so I'll try again.

EVGA Precision reports 36 and 39C respectively for my two GTX 460s at idle. Both cards are slightly overclocked. Processor clock up at 1551 and memory clock set to 1900. Fan speed is set to automatic.

About your CPU temp:, unfortunately you misunderstood how to use PMT. You cannot expect PMT to control voltages if you set the value statically in BIOS. You must leave the voltage settings on automatic. Please keep in mind what i told about how PMT manages CPU/NB vs Core voltages. If you still have questions, please ask. What you should be learning is that the amount of heat produced is directly related to the amount of voltage being applied. Conversely, applying even higher voltages in excess of 1.5V require significantly more aggressive heat-sink approach like water-cooling.

If done correctly, your idle temps should be in the low 30s even with a stock heat-sink. With CoreTemp and its associated windows gadget, you should be able to see in real time how voltage and frequency affect temperature. By setting the power plan, you can manipulate voltage setting independently and see how that affects voltage to confirm your settings.
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hey yall .. just wanted to share my rig .. had posted it in the wrong section at first .. thought it was this thread .. oops biggrin.gif

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hey yall .. just wanted to share my rig .. had posted it in the wrong section at first .. thought it was this thread .. oops biggrin.gif
but here's my rig
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You still don't have it quite right. Go to control panel and navigate to where you enter the components of your rig so they show up in your sig.

About your posted results, there is still more speed to be had both by overclocking the FSB and the CPU itself.

Consider using PhenomMSRTweaker (PMT) to dynamically manage power states. There are some good write-ups in this thread on how to accomplish this. Search for PMT.

You should be able to relatively easily increase your NB Frequency from the stock 1600 to 2000 MHz, and Core Speed close to 3.9 GHz.
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You still don't have it quite right. Go to control panel and navigate to where you enter the components of your rig so they show up in your sig.
About your posted results, there is still more speed to be had both by overclocking the FSB and the CPU itself.
Consider using PhenomMSRTweaker (PMT) to dynamically manage power states. There are some good write-ups in this thread on how to accomplish this. Search for PMT.
You should be able to relatively easily increase your NB Frequency from the stock 1600 to 2000 MHz, and Core Speed close to 3.9 GHz.

thx got it now

yeah im sure there is .. but not quite sure how to exactly do it .. i have downloaded PMT .. was using ntools for a while .. in my BIOS i have my vcore set up to 1.3v but in CPUZ it only shows 1.280v .. then i used PMT jumped to 1.3v and it shows on the gadget and PMT but still shows the 1.280v on CPUZ .. still trying to learn how to OC FSB and NB .. biggrin.gif
    
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played around with PMT and BIOS and got some ok results .. anything else i should be doing? .. im sure i can go a little higher but just want to be safe .. biggrin.gif

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how do you get the settings to stick on boot? .. also in PMT .. what were the setting for P1-P4 .. i think i kinda messed with it and its not default .. biggrin.gif
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