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Shut up n00b. My advice was solid and I stand behind it. He's invested days in that account. That's nothing. It takes that long to train one essential skill to lv 4 and 'decent' is not going to cut it in null-sec PvP or PvE.
How long since I've played ? lol...this morning. I've played EVE everyday for over 3 yrs. Go ahead, check the Top 10 on the killboard at Battleclinic and tell me how many Gallente there are. biggrin.gif
What's he supposed to do, fly a Proteus ? a Meg ? The hybrid rails are effective, it's just the ships that suck. At this early stage , he would be better off cutting his losses and just starting a better account if PvP is where he wants to go.
In the future, i would advise that you 'stay in the shallow end of the swimming pool' where you belong. Your advise was quite erroneous and has little bearing on the reality of things.

Most players dont have the balls to play Gallente. They would rather kite,alpha and easy mode missile you do death than go balls deep with blasters even though they melt faces. Rails went from awful to meh. More buffing needed except small rails. Blasters could use a small falloff buff for more damage projection.

We will see where gallente will stand after teiricide is complete but so far they are looking pretty good.
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I'm Gallante, going to switch from Amarr ships to Caldari ships. redface.gif


As for the OCN corp, I'm already in a corp..
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Shut up n00b.

Wow, un-ironically using the term 'n00b', I really didn't think people actually did that. eh-smiley.gif
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He's invested days in that account. That's nothing.
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At this early stage , he would be better off cutting his losses and just starting a better account if PvP is where he wants to go.

To a bittervet who only has 5x+ skills to train sure, but to the starry eyed beginner? You've forgotten what it's like to start in Eve. Evey hour, every minute feels precious because each SP that ticks away it brings you closer to new exciting modules or abilities that actually let you do things, and there are so many things that as a beginner you just can't do but hear so much about. To lose everything and restart at that point would be a huge blow to morale because it means three more days of slogging through boring skill grind again when you want to be out exploring, learning, and having fun.

Besides that there's literally no harm in just not training whatever bad skill anymore; it just sits there, it cant cause you to do anything. Restarting means you lose the name you picked out, the avatar you crafted, whatever ISK you collected in that time period (again not a large amount to bittervets, but to a newbie it is), and all of the non-bad-skill skills you've trained. There literally is no point in starting over for having a few hours in the wrong skill.
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check the Top 10 on the killboard at Battleclinic and tell me how many Gallente there are.
The Battleclinic killboard doesn't have a top 10 ships list. Do you mean look at the race of the pilots?
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What's he supposed to do, fly a Proteus ? a Meg ?

Those are good ships along with the Incursus, Enyo, Keres, Helios, Taranis, Catalyst, Iteron mk V, Thorax, Oneiros, Ishtar, Lachesis, Arazu, Myrmidon, Talos, Dominix, Kronos, Thanatos, Moros, Nyx, and Erebus (the Vindicator, while not being pure Gallente, gets special mention for just how awesome it is). All of those are the best or near best ships in their respective roles.

Plus, since Gallente means training Hybrids, you also have easy cross train access to the Naga, Rokh, Vigilant, Harpy, and Daredevil.
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The Battleclinic killboard doesn't have a top 10 ships list. Do you mean look at the race of the pilots?
That kinda is what we're discussing here. Yes.
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Those are good ships along with the Incursus, Enyo, Keres, Helios, Taranis, Catalyst, Iteron mk V, Thorax, Oneiros, Ishtar, Lachesis, Arazu, Myrmidon, Talos, Dominix, Kronos, Thanatos, Moros, Nyx, and Erebus (the Vindicator, while not being pure Gallente, gets special mention for just how awesome it is). All of those are the best or near best ships in their respective roles.

The Itty V ?! You're joking right ? The Iteron Mk V has got to be the single, most destroyed ship in the game of all time... in high-sec biggrin.gif
(you would be hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to fly one anyhwere else.)
It's a cheap, expandable cargo ship with the hull of a tin can. Any player with any brains, would train up the Ocator at least or better yet, an Obelisk.

The Incursus is pobably the one decent Gallente ship on that list but it's an Assault ship, which is basically an improved frigate.
Compared to a Drake(Caldari) or the Hurricane(Minmatar) and Harbinger(Amarr), the Myrmidon is..utter crap. Seriously, I can't stress that enough. C-R-A-P.
As for the rest, nobody is flying any of those ships.. oh(lmao), except the Erebus. Yes, everyone's got a titan these days. rolleyes.gif

* Also, as for the pirate class, the only relevant Gallente hybrid is the Machariel and that's really only used as a sniper in Incursions.
Although once you get those 7 x T2 1400mm's on there, it really is a force to be reckoned, from long distance with but...then he's got to train up all those shield-tanking skills and all the Minmatar ship skills and the projectile weapon skills, as he's been training armor tank/hybrid weapons as a Gallente pilot. More wasted time.
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Wow, un-ironically using the term 'n00b', I really didn't think people actually did that. eh-smiley.gif
To a bittervet who only has 5x+ skills to train sure, but to the starry eyed beginner? You've forgotten what it's like to start in Eve. Evey hour, every minute feels precious because each SP that ticks away it brings you closer to new exciting modules or abilities that actually let you do things, and there are so many things that as a beginner you just can't do but hear so much about. To lose everything and restart at that point would be a huge blow to morale because it means three more days of slogging through boring skill grind again when you want to be out exploring, learning, and having fun.

Besides that there's literally no harm in just not training whatever bad skill anymore; it just sits there, it cant cause you to do anything. Restarting means you lose the name you picked out, the avatar you crafted, whatever ISK you collected in that time period (again not a large amount to bittervets, but to a newbie it is), and all of the non-bad-skill skills you've trained. There literally is no point in starting over for having a few hours in the wrong skill.

This. So much of this.
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That kinda is what we're discussing here. Yes.
The Itty V ?! You're joking right ? The Iteron Mk V has got to be the single, most destroyed ship in the game of all time... in high-sec biggrin.gif
(you would be hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to fly one anyhwere else.)
It's a cheap, expandable cargo ship with the hull of a tin can. Any player with any brains, would train up the Ocator at least or better yet, an Obelisk.
The Incursus is pobably the one decent Gallente ship on that list but it's an Assault ship, which is basically an improved frigate.
Compared to a Drake(Caldari) or the Hurricane(Minmatar) and Harbinger(Amarr), the Myrmidon is..utter crap. Seriously, I can't stress that enough. C-R-A-P.
As for the rest, nobody is flying any of those ships.. oh(lmao), except the Erebus. Yes, everyone's got a titan these days. rolleyes.gif
* Also, as for the pirate class, the only relevant Gallente hybrid is the Machariel and that's really only used as a sniper in Incursions.
Although once you get those 7 x T2 1400mm's on there, it really is a force to be reckoned, from long distance with but...then he's got to train up all those shield-tanking skills and all the Minmatar ship skills and the projectile weapon skills, as he's been training armor tank/hybrid weapons as a Gallente pilot. More wasted time.

Well I'm training for the Drake right after I finish training for a mining barge. Just because I'm Gallente doesn't mean I can't specialize in Caldari ships.
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That kinda is what we're discussing here. Yes.
lachen.gif Right, because race of the pilot matters sooo much beyond aesthetics. Right.

But now that we're here we might as well look at it. Gallente pilots on the Top 10 Lifetime list we have:
(#1) lukka
(#2) Hera Darkthorn
(#3) Loren Gallen
(#4) Kate Mosh
(#5) AshenShugar01
(#6) Fer DeLance
(#7) Sodo Ku

And in the Top 10 Recent:
(#4) Cosmo Blink
(#7) trigger99
(#9) Zao Amadues

You were saying?
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The Itty V ?! You're joking right ? The Iteron Mk V has got to be the single, most destroyed ship in the game of all time... in high-sec biggrin.gif
(you would be hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to fly one anyhwere else.)
It's a cheap, expandable cargo ship with the hull of a tin can. Any player with any brains, would train up the Ocator at least or better yet, an Obelisk.
It's the best T1 industrial for both normal and combat uses. The Occator (besides being in a different category) doesn't hold nearly as much and the Obelisk (also being in a different category) has all the issues that come with freighters. Eve is about using the right tool for the right job, and the itty V has its niche locked down.

Also if this is anything to go by, the Bestower is destroyed far more often and I would imagine would have similar use patterns to the itty V.
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The Incursus is pobably the one decent Gallente ship on that list but it's an Assault ship, which is basically an improved frigate.
Enyo is the assault frigate, Incursus is the T1 version.
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Compared to a Drake(Caldari) or the Hurricane(Minmatar) and Harbinger(Amarr), the Myrmidon is..utter crap. Seriously, I can't stress that enough. C-R-A-P.
Multi-rep solo Myrm beats all of those 1v1. Or 2v1. Or maybe even 3v1. If we want to talk about a crap BC look at the Harbinger.
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As for the rest, nobody is flying any of those ships.. oh(lmao), except the Erebus. Yes, everyone's got a titan these days. rolleyes.gif
Again, if we look at this we see that Gallente occupies 6 of the top 20 most lost and 4 in the most final blows category. Considering that Gallente don't have large fleet DPS ships, of which these stats will reflect more, this is pretty good.

That said, being popular is only part of the battle, being a good ship is more important. In that line of thought:
  • Incursus along with the Merlin are the best T1 frigates, favouring gank and tank respectively.
  • Enyo is one of the top AFs, as we agree upon.
  • Keres is the second most useful EAF behind the Kitsune
  • Helios makes the best combat Covops, which makes for some pretty hilarious frig fights.
  • Taranis has always been the best combat interceptor and the blaster buff has only made it better.
  • Catalyst does 700 DPS. In a Destroyer hull. 700 DPS. That's insane.
  • Thorax is one of the best lowsec T1 cruisers
  • Oneiros, since its buff, is now better than the Guardian in the same way the Scimitar is better than the Basilisk
  • Ishtar makes a good exploration/PVE ship and can have some pretty entertaining and successful midsized gimmick fleets with sentries
  • Lachesis. 100km point yes please.
  • Arazu. See above, plus a covops cloak.
  • Talos is one of the best solo/small gang T3 BCs now.
  • Dominix is the most versatile solo T1 BS and makes a great small fleet RR gang. Also it does AFK PVE pretty well.
  • Kronos is a cheap Vindicator.
  • Thanatos is the highest damage carrier, and depending on doctrine that makes it the best. Archons have a slightly different niche that they accel in though.
  • Moros is by far and away the best Dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts do one thing and one thing only, DPS, and in that the Moros can't be matched
  • Nyx, again because of the damage bonus becomes the best supercarrier. Much of the abilities where the Archon accels over the Thanatos are lost in the SC class.
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* Also, as for the pirate class, the only relevant Gallente hybrid is the Machariel and that's really only used as a sniper in Incursions.
Although once you get those 7 x T2 1400mm's on there, it really is a force to be reckoned, from long distance with but...then he's got to train up all those shield-tanking skills and all the Minmatar ship skills and the projectile weapon skills, as he's been training armor tank/hybrid weapons as a Gallente pilot. More wasted time.
So you're saying Vindicators, Vigilants, Cynabals, Daredevils, and Dramiels are bad? Further more you're also saying that Machariels don't get used in PVP? wth.gif
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* Also, as for the pirate class, the only relevant Gallente hybrid is the Machariel and that's really only used as a sniper in Incursions.
Although once you get those 7 x T2 1400mm's on there, it really is a force to be reckoned, from long distance with but...then he's got to train up all those shield-tanking skills and all the Minmatar ship skills and the projectile weapon skills, as he's been training armor tank/hybrid weapons as a Gallente pilot. More wasted time.

The Vindicator,Vigilante, and Daredevil are hybrid pirate ships. FYI armor tanking is going to be re-balanced. Every one knows Shield tanking>>>>>>>>Armor tanking atm but generally if your in a fleet you can shield tank your Gal boat and murder fools.

Also the Proteus,imo, is the best pvp ship in the game even if its ugly as sin,.
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It's the best T1 industrial for both normal and combat uses. The Occator (besides being in a different category) doesn't hold nearly as much and the Obelisk (also being in a different category) has all the issues that come with freighters. Eve is about using the right tool for the right job, and the itty V has its niche locked down.
Also if this is anything to go by, the Bestower is destroyed far more often and I would imagine would have similar use patterns to the itty V.:

That's load of crap. Itty V's get popped left and right. I see em on the killboards almost everyday. I'm not saying Bestowers never get hit, not nearly as often. The Occator is the T2 'Itty 3' it has much better tank, you can use Giant Secure Containers to pick plenty of extra space and it is far and away a better ship than the V. At 900,000 m3, the Obelisk is the king of frieghters if you need that much cargo room and probably the best Gallente ship of all.
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Multi-rep solo Myrm beats all of those 1v1. Or 2v1. Or maybe even 3v1. If we want to talk about a crap BC look at the Harbinger.
Now you're just embarrassing yourself. 1v1, I'll put my money on a passive tanked Drake anytime.
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[*] Dominix is the most versatile solo T1 BS and makes a great small fleet RR gang. Also it does AFK PVE pretty well.

The Dominix is a roach. I would take the Megathron over it any day of week. Seriously, just how big of a drone bay would anyone need ? The Bay on the meg is more than enough and it's just so much battleship. Furthermore, any Tengu pilot with decent skills could pop one of them anytime. Why ? They're Gallente and they suck.
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So you're saying Vindicators, Vigilants, Cynabals, Daredevils, and Dramiels are bad? Further more you're also saying that Machariels don't get used in PVP? wth.gif

I never said any such thing. Read my text.
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Now you're just embarrassing yourself. 1v1, I'll put my money on a passive tanked Drake anytime.

Here is a typical triple rep Myrmidon: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Here is a passive Drake: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Do you see what the problem is when a Drake decides to engage that Myrmidon?

The Myrmidon can tank literally twice the damage that the Drake can put out and can deliver 50% more damage. Do you really think the Drake will win when it is being both out-damaged and out-tanked?
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