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post #3461 of 4653
Actually, it worked, the 1.296 is the 1.3 setting in the BIOS.
I tried setting to auto and it dropped to 1.232.

I tried booting at fsb 333 and x12.5, also at x10. I can move in BIOS, but i get BSOD in windows(not loading).

My mainboard has a problem with high fsb, not booting from s-ata harddisks, but i have an ide one connected, so it shouldn't be a problem.

As i type here, i have fsb300 at x10 multiplier. What was the fsb cap at e5200?

Also works up to fsb300 at x12 multiplie
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its a bit high in my opinion. I am at 3.3 at 1.2 volts in bios and around 1.15-1.16 in windows
Considering his CPU has VID of 1.2375V i dont think its that high voltage. I almost have to use the same voltage for my CPU at the same speed. (currently 1.35V @ 3.6Ghz)

You having 1.15-1.16V in Windows could just mean you got a better sample than we did, since mine wont even run stock at those volts...

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Originally Posted by nemaca
Ok, did a restart and got this: "VTT_CPU Over Voltage" with 3 options: Auto; 1,25V; 1,4V. This is the Vcore option this mobo has. The thing is..is not working for some reason.
However, my stock voltage was 1.232V, and now i got 1.296V, which means that it raises voltage by itself?!
VTT_CPU Over Voltage stands for VTT/FSB Term voltage meaning it will raise your Northbridge voltage and not the CPU voltage. Hence only the large steps of +150mV are available. If you want to raise the CPU voltage you should look and find something resembling to this: - VCore Over Voltage = AUTO, +50mv, +100mv, +150mv
U should also check if there are some hidden options in your mobo BIOS... Not sure about ASUS (altho i do own an ASUS board), but on Gigabyte you get the hidden options if you press CTRL+F1 keys while in BIOS.

I personally think you should restrain from OC-ing more until you get your Freezer 7,and stick with 3.3ghz (or even lower it to 3.0Ghz) just to be sure, cuz 71oC is too high of a temperature for just 10 minutes worth of testing. E5200 CPU's have thermal specification rated at 74.1oC wich means it will probably shut down once it reaches that temperature, and as a side effect you might get your CPU damaged. Constant usage of the CPU in periods of 2-3h or even more could raise its temperature by another 5-10oC (with stock cooler) depending on the length of usage (2-3-5oC in 30mins, or maybe 10oC for 2h or more)...

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Ok, i ran prime95 for 10 minutes, just to see the temperatures and when temp reached 71°C, i figured i had the processor cooler running at 50% and raised it to 100%. As a result, temp dropped fast up to 67°, then stabilized at 66°C.

Is that a normal temperature for 10 minutes stock cooler?
Also the temp you should look at is those 71oC and not the 67oC or 66oC cuz when Prime 95 is starting the next test (eg switching from Test 5 to Test 6 on cores) it first needs to quit the last one so the CPU is not used in those few miliseconds wich is enough for a drop in those few degrees centigrade.

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What was the fsb cap at e5200?
Its usually somewhere between 360-370Mhz (depending on the mobo, and the chip used - i reached mine at 347Mhz) but some chips were known to work at 400+ MHz FSB which is called "skipping the FSB wall", altho be warned that very few chips are capable of doing this.

Also as an addition you should check this linkand see what the owners of your board have to say in newegg.com user reviews. They usually hide some valuable info on all aspects of selected products... Something to do while youre waiting for the answer on ocn forums
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Considering his CPU has VID of 1.2375V i dont think its that high voltage. I almost have to use the same voltage for my CPU at the same speed. (currently 1.35V @ 3.6Ghz)

You having 1.15-1.16V in Windows could just mean you got a better sample than we did, since mine wont even run stock at those volts...



VTT_CPU Over Voltage stands for VTT/FSB Term voltage meaning it will raise your Northbridge voltage and not the CPU voltage. Hence only the large steps of +150mV are available. If you want to raise the CPU voltage you should look and find something resembling to this: - VCore Over Voltage = AUTO, +50mv, +100mv, +150mv
U should also check if there are some hidden options in your mobo BIOS... Not sure about ASUS (altho i do own an ASUS board), but on Gigabyte you get the hidden options if you press CTRL+F1 keys while in BIOS.

I personally think you should restrain from OC-ing more until you get your Freezer 7,and stick with 3.3ghz (or even lower it to 3.0Ghz) just to be sure, cuz 71oC is too high of a temperature for just 10 minutes worth of testing. E5200 CPU's have thermal specification rated at 74.1oC wich means it will probably shut down once it reaches that temperature, and as a side effect you might get your CPU damaged. Constant usage of the CPU in periods of 2-3h or even more could raise its temperature by another 5-10oC (with stock cooler) depending on the length of usage (2-3-5oC in 30mins, or maybe 10oC for 2h or more)...



Also the temp you should look at is those 71oC and not the 67oC or 66oC cuz when Prime 95 is starting the next test (eg switching from Test 5 to Test 6 on cores) it first needs to quit the last one so the CPU is not used in those few miliseconds wich is enough for a drop in those few degrees centigrade.



Its usually somewhere between 360-370Mhz (depending on the mobo, and the chip used - i reached mine at 347Mhz) but some chips were known to work at 400+ MHz FSB which is called "skipping the FSB wall", altho be warned that very few chips are capable of doing this.

Also as an addition you should check this linkand see what the owners of your board have to say in newegg.com user reviews. They usually hide some valuable info on all aspects of selected products... Something to do while youre waiting for the answer on ocn forums
I have a 1.25vid and it only takes 1.29v for me to do 4ghz so I think for what hes running that is kinda high on voltage too.

edit- the cpu wont shut down unless you have the motherboard set to shut down a certain temp. my chip shot up to 98c before when my cooler wasnt seated right and it didnt shut down. it just got very hot.
    
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I have a 1.25vid and it only takes 1.29v for me to do 4ghz so I think for what hes running that is kinda high on voltage too.
Yes, VID is actually Intels recommended voltage for running at stock speeds, and does not represent overclockability of any single chip. Some chips have higher VID's and can withstand higher clocks at lower voltas, and some dont. But you have to remmember that its not one or 50 CPU's thats a majority when VID to OC-ability performance is compared.
Most of the high VID chips also need more voltages to sustain a stable OC, and some dont... note the MOST and SOME parts in the sentence.
The chip you have is probably a mistake in Intels VID labeling process, and it got higher VID mark by mistake, thats just my opinion

So getting to the point that starting VID does not mean your CPU is overclockable or not, but just provides a starting point. Also as an example my 1.225 VID chip was able to whithstand massive 1.67V at 4.34Ghz OC (maybe some other 1.25VID chip could not), but i doubt any chip with 0.85 or 1.085 VID could do that (but it might...).

At the very end, every chip is unique and not the VID or someone elses experience in the matter can tell you how much u will be able to OC any component in your PC.

As much as i know, all motherboards have overheating auto-shutdown enabled its just the matter of the temperature it kicks in. Not sure if the BIOS autodetects CPU's max temp. Also what puzzles me is that Intel states E5200's have 74.1oC thermal specification while all the monitoring apps say the max temp is 100oC.... According to Intels definition 74.1oC corelates to max temperature of the heatspreader, while 100oC (Tj Max value) corelates to the actual core temperatures under the heatspreader...
    
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Thank you, miloshs, i'm reading through the info on newegg and other reviews(mostly say the same thing).

I got it to run stable it seems at 3,33GHz, x12.5, fsb266. It stayed in OCCT for 2 hours, max temperature in realtemp(tj100) being 61°C. Idle temp is 39-40°C, games put it to 45-50°C.
How do i find my OCCT results? I suppose there is a log file somewhere.

So it seems my mobo has no hidden functions hotkey, unless i edit the bios, which i will not, simply not worth the trouble.

The northbridge has a big copper heatsink on it and is relatively cool, but the southbridge is getting quite hot, i put a fan on it during OCCT test, but didn't seem to affect it too much, had about the same temp with or without fan. (i used the ultra sensitive dry finger device with tongue out from concentration issues, multiple working sessions).

I actually believe that in the 24 hours i used to test it, me, an inexperienced overclocker that only read lots of forums, pretty much got out all this mobo can do with an e5200. FSB caps at 301(stable) and not even the x6 can convince it to go further, in windows. Also, at that fsb, max multiplier is x10 and nothing more, not even x10,1. I did try 0,1 increases in both fsb and multiplier up to fsb 333 and x12,5: no windows.

There is no vcore over voltage, it has:

Advanced menu:

JumperFree Configuration:
1,8V Dual Over Voltage: auto; 1.8V; 2.0V (RAM)
VTT_CPU Over Voltage: auto; 1.2V; 1.3V (CPU-chipset)

So at 3,33 seems to work good and stable, i had another stable at 3,46, with only 12 minutes prime95, because i simply had no time. At more then 3,76 it wil not even POST.

L.E. i have the shutdown feature enabled in bios. CPU TM function and Execute Disable Bit.
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Well if you had 2h OCCT stable with temps maxed out at 61oC then i could say u have nothing to worry about. Or you can run OCCT 3.0 and run CPU+GPU tests just to make sure, since CPU+GPU testing could possibly increase your CPU temp up to few degrees (it upped mine by about 2oC, but i have a very good ventilated case 2x120 front, 2x140 top, 1x120 back).

I guess u just slapped that stock HSF on there, but changing the thermal paste (use something like OCZ Freeze Extreme) could lower your temps by up to 5oC, just be sure to thoroughly clean the HSF and the CPU off of the old thermal compound using Alchohol or Medicinal Gasoline.

Also looking at the VTT_CPU Over Voltage u said thats CPU-chipset i reckon it works as if u increase the voltage and in turn the mobo increases the voltage of both northbridge and the CPU, hence the increase from 1.23V to 1.296V u stated earlier.
If its like that u cna increase that voltage and u will get an increase in CPU voltage as high as the mobo thinks its good.
Also before you do that (considering u have a stock heatsink) just be sure your NB,SB and the rest of the components are not too hot already.

Having 1.4V on the southbridge is, i would say, max you should do, and i would say the same for th northbridge since the HSF on your NB is not that good ( i can do 1.6V or 1.7V cuz i have a heatpipe cooled northbridge).


My suggestion is to stick with 3.33Ghz at least until you get your new heatsink.... and please dont try to get it to work at 3.76Ghz since the CPU is high-to-moderately used while booting the system, and you could experience overheating while booting...
    
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Wow, you're good at explaining. All is clear now(as clear as it can be for me, atm). I won't touch it then, until my freezer7 comes. He has MX2 pre-applied and changing the thermal paste just to get a few degrees out from my stock seems pointless atm.

The parentheses notice (CPU-chipset) is made by me, is nowhere in descriptions, on site, manual or bios itself, and i made it based on what u said about the VTT changing the chipset voltage and not CPU. However, if i leave the CPU overclock feature on auto(5%, 10%, etc), i believe the vcore might raise too. Also, if i leave that(VTT) on auto, i have a 1,232V on cpu and if i set it on 1,3V, i get a 1.296V shown in cpuz.

Still, i would like to see the OCCT results, if it has a text log, or image, or such, and post it here, so people can see how good this stock cooler is. And i am very curious and must say, pretty proud of my very first overclock, since my previous(1 and half year ago) burned my AtholnXP 2400+ on a Gigabyte mb.
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However, if i leave the CPU overclock feature on auto(5%, 10%, etc), i believe the vcore might raise too. Also, if i leave that(VTT) on auto, i have a 1,232V on cpu and if i set it on 1,3V, i get a 1.296V shown in cpuz.
Well then it might be the case that CPU overclock feature just increases the speed of the CPU by increasing the FSB, while VTT_CPU Core Overclock increases the CPU vCore. Looking at what you just said it seems to me that by increasing VTT CPU stuff gets you either:

1.CPU Vcore insreased, while NB vcore stays at default
2.CPU Vcore insreased, while NB vcore gets increased by a small amount

What you can do to check this is to boot into BIOS after youve changed its value and check the voltages in the monitoring section of your BIOS. I hope your mobo has the ability to monitor NB voltages...

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Still, i would like to see the OCCT results...
The OCCT should have an image graph, and if im not mistaken it is located somewhere in the My Documents folder. Just browse or search the my doc folder and you should find it.
    
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Thanks, i found the OCCT file, it somehow doesn't have my last test, only has old results, so that means a new test, but i got work on it going on atm, so some time tonight maybe.
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Monitoring from BIOS:

VCORE: 1.272V
3.3V: 3.344V
5V: 5.120V
12V: 12.091V

The overclock area on voltage has 2 more options: 1.25V Over Voltage and 1.5V Over Voltage, but i believe none has anything to do with CPU.
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