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then i tried to change the timings to 5-4-5-14, and then change the DRAM Frequency to 800 MHz in the bios

why is that ?
is it bcz of my ram limitation, or is it bcz of my god damn mobo ?

and is it worth it to slow down the timings, to try and achieve 800 MHz DRAM Frequency (FSB : DRAM = 1:2) ?

and how do i check for the stability of my current 5-4-4-12 timings ?
Actually given the mobo u have i presume that speed you choose is the multiplier that gets combined with FSB speed currently set (what kirayamato said). So as an example if we presume your FSB is still at its default 200mhz if you set your FSBDR2 ratio to 1:1 your RAM will run at 400mhz (thats because when using DDR2 memory the frequency gets multiplied by 2 to get the real efective frequency of the modules), if you set it to 1:2 it will run at 800mhz, 1:4 it will run at 1600mhz .... So i guess so far you get where you got it wrong. Your FSB was at 266mhz and you set your memory at 1:4 ratio thus trying to run your memory at 1066Mhz (also what kirayamato said ).

Your memory can probably do 1066mhz, but not while running CL4 timings (4-4-4-12), but if you slow down your timings to CL5 or CL6 it will probably do 1066mhz but not necessarily that they will run faster.
The point is to get maximum speed atainable while running fastest timings on the modules. I guess your specific modules can do 850-900mhz with CL4 timings, and you can try running it at 887Mhz by setting DRAM Frequency at 667Mhz thus giving you 1:3.3 FSBDR2 ratio and your FSB at 266Mhz (if the FSB is at default 200mhz and DDR frequency at 667 your ram would run at ~660Mhz).

Ultimately what you forgot when you changed your DRAM frequency to 800mhz is that your FSB was oveclocked to 266mhz and not at the default 200mhz.

I guess you can test the stability of your modules by running Orthos, OCCT or Linpack (Linx) cuz they all stress DDR2 modules while testing CPU stability.
For starters try Orthos running Blend tests.

Also while overclocking memory keep in mind that most manufacturers dont give out warranties if modules where run with voltage higher than recommended. ut definately if you want your memory to give its best and fastest performance (via OC-ing over 800mhz defaults) you will have to supply them with at least recommended 2.0V. If you ever increase voltage higher than recommended 2.0V keep in mind that they will heat up more which will lead to instantly dead modules (worst case in extreme overvoltage) or slow deat modules (reducing their lifetime)...

P.S. 2Gb modules usualy have slower chips (since most of them have to be double sided modules) and thus have less OC potential. Keep that in mind while trying to OC. (my 1gb 800mhz OCZ's had potential to run at almost 1000mhz, while my new 2gb 1066Mhz Geils have problems even at 1150mhz - so thats 25% OC with 1gb module VS 7-10% OC with 2gb module)
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yes, that is exactly what i am looking for

i slowed the timings to 5-5-5-15, but my system still wouldn't start up at 1066Mhz RAM!
some people got my ram model to work at 1200MHZ
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ry,2079-6.html

my ram is known to be a good overclocker, so i just want to see why i can't get it to work at 1066Mhz, is it bcz there is a plm with it, or is it simply bcz my mobo won't allow it
What voltage are you through them?
U set DRAM Frequency at 800mhz, and FSB at 266mhz?
    
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If you can't get 3.5ghz stable you have a duff cpu or unsuitable mo/board - no doubt at all.
Some m/boards will not o/c- some have limited options- but a decent o/clocking board will push E5200 to 4ghz- maybe unstable but ...
I got 3.750 out of my e2180 and 3.330 stable 24/7.
If you can't match that then something is wrong. See page 1 and smell the coffee.
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What voltage are you through them?
U set DRAM Frequency at 800mhz, and FSB at 266mhz?
first of all, many thanx for ur reply, i really appreciate ur help

i am still reading ur first reply and trying to understand it fully

for this reply, well i changed something called Memory Over Voltage [AUTO] in my bios to 2.000000V



i'll be honest with u, i am not too sure if this is the vdimm voltage, as the minimum value for it is 1.85V (as can be seen in the bios photo)

right now i am using 677 mhz dram frequency and 266mhz fsb

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I got a very similar question, babylonian, i got the ASUS p5kpl-cm motherboard which seams to have a similar overclocking capability.
I am keeping my Kingston hyperx khx6400d2/2g at 444MHz 6-6-6-6-15, until i find out what is the normal voltage for my RAM. Kingston site specifies 2.0V and in spec sheet is 1.8V, at the same product, so i am confused(created thread on intel/memory, but no luck so far) .

The processor is @3.33GHz, x12.5, fsb 266, i believe identical to yours.
I have selected the 1.3V at VTT_CPU Over Voltage and [667] (3:5 ratio) at Memory options.

I have seen people that don't know where timings can be modified on this kind of bios. In Advanced/Chipset/North Bridge Configuration/Configure DRAM Timings by spd = [Disabled] and it activates the Timings settings menu below it.

Oh, and if anyone can please tell me... What DOES my RAM stock voltage is supposed to be? Some vendors say: "1.8V-2.0V", and i think that's silly, because there is a big difference between those two voltages. Either is one or another, can't be both.
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first of all, many thanx for ur reply, i really appreciate ur help

i am still reading ur first reply and trying to understand it fully

for this reply, well i changed something called Memory Over Voltage [AUTO] in my bios to 2.000000V

right now i am using 677 mhz dram frequency and 266mhz fsb
You got it....

Yes Memory Over Voltage is actually the stuff you change the voltage of your DIMMs at...
So as youve said running FSB at 266mhz and DRAM frequency at 667Mhz will give you FSBRAM ratio of 1:3.3 (u get 3.3 by dividing 667mhz by 200mhz - 200mhz is the def FSB frequency). The ratio is always calculated by dividing the selection u made by the default FSB speed number...

What CPU-Z is showing as 444.3Mhz is actualy double that since DDR = Double Data Rate meaning that DDR2 (and DDR) modules efectively run at double the speed you set. So your modules are actually running 444.3Mhz*2=888.6Mhz DDR2 speed.

since you dont really have an "OC friendly" motherboard thats what is probalby causing your modules to refuse running at 1066mhz. You could try setting your timings to CL6 (6-6-6-18 or 6-7-6-18) and then try to boot at 1066mhz... and after that try and tighten the timings with memset. Stick with 2.0V on the DIMMs

The guys at Tomshardware.com probalby used a good overclocking motherboard wich will actually have better and more powerfull power area managing the DIMMs...

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Originally Posted by Babylonian
i'll be honest with u, i am not too sure if this is the vdimm voltage, as the minimum value for it is 1.85V (as can be seen in the bios photo)
Some motherboards have def vdimm at 1.8V some at 1.85V. Given the fact you have a less expensive motherboard that is supposed to perform equally less effective i am not a bit amazed that you have scarce OC options in its BIOS...

@Nemaca

P5KPL-AM and P5KPL-CM seem to be almost the same motherboards only the AM version can only be found in Europe (by quicksearching, but not 100% sure). So the BIOS on both should be exactly the same. And AM version looks like a newer revision of tha CM.

Also what is the exact serial number on your DDR2 modules?
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Nemaca, just found it...

If your RAM is
KHX6400D2/2G2GB DDR2 800MHz Non-ECC CL55-5-5-15

then the default voltage at stock should be 2.0V. You can check it at KINGSTON website just to make sure.

And you actually have a single channel memory... which kinda sucks, better get that exchanged for some dual channels for some increased performance.
Being that they are single channel modules i'm not sure if u'd get dual channel performance if you had two of those installed... Could be, but then again im not 100% sure.

EDIT:
Funny guys there at Kingston, if you look at this PDF document they actually say oposite of what is written on their website. PDF says that theyre supposed to have default voltage of 1.85V at 800Mhz CL5... and 1.8V at 667Mhz CL5.

If you keep 'em at stock running at 1.85V or 2.0V wont really make a difference... If youre really interested you could contack Kingston's support and ask them, but im pretty sure they will just read out whats in the PDF i linked
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I have seen people that don't know where timings can be modified on this kind of bios. In Advanced/Chipset/North Bridge Configuration/Configure DRAM Timings by spd = [Disabled] and it activates the Timings settings menu below it.
i just checked my bios, and i had this option already enabled, but there r no further options to configure the ram settings !

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You got it....

Yes Memory Over Voltage is actually the stuff you change the voltage of your DIMMs at...
So as youve said running FSB at 266mhz and DRAM frequency at 667Mhz will give you FSBRAM ratio of 1:3.3 (u get 3.3 by dividing 667mhz by 200mhz - 200mhz is the def FSB frequency). The ratio is always calculated by dividing the selection u made by the default FSB speed number...

What CPU-Z is showing as 444.3Mhz is actualy double that since DDR = Double Data Rate meaning that DDR2 (and DDR) modules efectively run at double the speed you set. So your modules are actually running 444.3Mhz*2=888.6Mhz DDR2 speed.

since you dont really have an "OC friendly" motherboard thats what is probalby causing your modules to refuse running at 1066mhz. You could try setting your timings to CL6 (6-6-6-18 or 6-7-6-18) and then try to boot at 1066mhz... and after that try and tighten the timings with memset. Stick with 2.0V on the DIMMs

The guys at Tomshardware.com probalby used a good overclocking motherboard wich will actually have better and more powerfull power area managing the DIMMs...



Some motherboards have def vdimm at 1.8V some at 1.85V. Given the fact you have a less expensive motherboard that is supposed to perform equally less effective i am not a bit amazed that you have scarce OC options in its BIOS...
aite, but the thing is for some reason i can't change the tCL value to anything other than 5 !



is there anyway to unlock it ?
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Thanks again, miloshs, i read the site, on the link you told me before, it says 2.0V. Also, on that site there is a small link right at that description that leads to a pdf details, in which the voltage is said to be 1.8V. The voltage specified on my module is 1.85V. Isn't that confusing? .

So can i play nice and safe at 2.0V, like you said? Giving that i already have them at 444MHz (888 frequency from 800).
Why do i ask? because this is whats drawing me back from booting windows at 3,76GHz. If i lower timings to 6-6-6-6-18 and also some of the other options (memset) to the specified 400MHz shown in the spd option, could that give me a better chance to actually boot?


@Babylonian I noticed the tCL has to be modified from BIOS, and i posted up where to go, rest is doable in windows.
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@Babylonian

I doubt you can unlock it, since i think thats a mobo limitation. Its quite possible that you guys' motherboard just cant go lover on tCL!!!

@Nemaca

When overclocking you CPU its always best to lower the FSB:RAM ratio to 1:1 (if possible, if not then 1:2). That will exclude your RAM from the equation since it will be running at much lower speed than default hence it will not prevent you from overclocking the CPU further.

I dont know how you went with your OC-ing, but it goes something like this:

1. lower CPU multiplier to its lowest setting (x6 in E5x00 case)
2. lower RAM speed to its lowest setting (1:1 ratio)
3. increase the FSB until you can no longer boot, start by increasing by 20mhz, and after 280-300mhz total FSB lower the increments to 5mhz. Once u can no longer boot decrease the FSB by 2-3Mhz and if it boots, start increasing the FSB by 1Mhz increments until it can no longer boot - there you go, you found out the max FSB at wich you CPU will boot (write it down )
4. you can then test the FSBxMulti combo to the best of your abilities. It's all about trying it out what suits you/your rig best.

5. after you found a stable OC (or the one youre satisfied with) you can start increasing the FSB:RAM ratio in oprder to OC the RAM's.

6. try and keep all of your components cool, including the DIMMs, NB and the CPU

OC-ing is one BIG trial and error test

And yes, setting the spd in BIOS at 400mhz would give you 1:2 ratio, which would lower your ram speed to 667Mhz (if your FSB's at 333mhz) and it will give you a better chance of booting at 3.76Ghz.

If you dont plan on OC-ing your modules too much 1.85-1.9V is just fine. Since your module is 800mhz CL5 i would say they are not really overclockable and you should probably stick to close-to-stock speeds at 1.85V. Usually 800Mhz CL4 modules run at 1.9-1.95V, and 1066mhz CL4 run at 2.1-2.2V.
So the more MHZ + faster timings = more voltage needed.

I think 1.85V is quite enough for your module...
    
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