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post #3601 of 4653
I decided to post a pic of my lil cpu, doing prime95, at 3.33GHz, my 24/7 oc.

AND... i put the mobo in there so that people can see that reasonable oc CAN be done on ultra cheap mobo's as well.

I'm still not getting occt results, someone said i should reinstall it for it to restart putting results in the folder.(and after 6+ hours of occt, i got angry, lol)

I hope this is enough proof. I'm running at 3.33GHz for a week now, playing, testing, watching movies, converting movies made by fraps at 1280*1024(my default resolution), etc, so i think its pretty stable.
Even if AMD II came to bully the e5200 into the dirt, they still can't oc like this boy here.

EDIT:


I stopped it.
Edited by nemaca - 6/12/09 at 12:26pm
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i am sooo sorry for the late reply, i was just soo busy for the last few days
i would like to thank everyone who helped me with my computer plm, especially miloshs
and i would like to apologize to the members and especially to the OP for hijacking this thread and deviating it to fixing my computer plm

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Be sure to thoroughly check your HDD drive for errors. Download Hitachi's utility from their website to check if everything is OK with your drive. If theres something wrong with it contact the hardware manufacturer, and ask how you should proceed...


If you notice slow-downs in file copying between partitions and/or between folders backup all the data you need as fast as possible cuz the drive is probably going to die soon (this is just for the future, what to keep an eye at).

I hope everything is going to be OK now, enjoy your new operatin system
after i installed windows 7, i did a few trial and error OCing to find the max my mobo can go, i did 12.5 x 272 with slow ram timings, and occt failed after an hour and 20 minute, so right now i am convinced that 12.5 x 266, and 5-4-4-12 (with 667mhz mobo option) is the highest OC i can go with my mobo (i tested it for over 24 hours, and it was fine)

i used this software to check my hdd, and i selected advanced test
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#DFT

after hours of scanning, my hdd turned out to be fine and 100% functional

bcz i got a few bsod again in my trial and error OCing, i formatted my hdd once again (using Hitachi DFT "Erase Disk" which took few hours as well), and this time as u advised me, i made a 200gb partition for windows 7 OS, and the other 731 gb as a partition for my files to store

windows 7 is really amazing, i can't wait for the official release !

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: wave2:
Relax.

Start to reinstall vista
choose not to format
the install will then letyou know that your old file will be stored in win.old
done.


OR


pull your hd
plug into a working pc
browse through your stuff just like its a secondary drive
save what you want to dvd or what ever .
reinstall os



Hope you see this before you kill your data.
i tried that before and unfortunately it didn't work, but thanks anyways
i learned my lessons now, never try too much OCing without backing up files, and always use a separate partition (from the OS's partition) to store files

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Now THAT was a heck of a job. Glad you got it working at last, Babylonian
thanks dude, i appreciate that. Glad too that u OCed ur computer successfully
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The GigaByte G31M doesnt give much options and its really anoying you cant set the memory timings in the bios. But for the money you get a good match to the e5200. Setting the memory with memset is ok for now. Would be interesting to see what super pi would do with 4-4-4-14 t1 @ 800 mhz. 5-4-4-15 t2 gives a sub 15 super pi (no picture, who cares).

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Hi Sangria, I've been lurking for the longest time here...

Have you tried Hitting CTRL-F1 upon entering the bios? It'll allow you to change your Memory Timings on the M.I.T Menu.

I haven't fared that well with overclocking the E5200 with this board. I'm using the default fan and cannot do a OCCT 3.1.0 LinPack test for an hour. This is at 12.5 x 300 ( 3.750 ghz ). With Vcore set to 1.4125 ( BIOS Reads it at 1.380, so does CPU-Z ).

I'm still working on it and will post some detailed screen shots along with some updates later.

Missed some Details:
- E5200 (vid 1.2875 r0 stepping Malaysia )
- Half-height Retail cooler
- GigaByte GA-G31M-ES2C G31 rev 1.1
- 2x 1gb Kingston Value Ram DDR2-800
Edited by juantech - 6/14/09 at 3:10am
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Hi Sangria, I've been lurking for the longest time here...

Have you tried Hitting CTRL-F1 upon entering the bios? It'll allow you to change your Memory Timings on the M.I.T Menu.
Cool missed that option, to bad it doesnt allow to set the command rate. Ill stick with memset for now, since it allows me more timming settings.

Love Sangria
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Hey cameron, welcome to OCN

First of all, im not that sure you'll be able to keep it cool enough with that Zalman and an 80mm fan at 3.75Ghz. Especially if your server will be loaded 90% all the time.
You should probably aim at 3.3Ghz, but then again it all depends on the chip you recieve.

Looking at the UD3L mobo i reckon you would probably need another fan at the NB to keep it cool if you want to hit 3.75Ghz or higher since the NB will probably have to be OC-ed (lets say ~1.4V) in order to get you to these speeds. Ocing NB with the kind if heatsing UD3L has would probably make it run quite hot... Also maybe some heatsinks for the PWM area are in order if you want to go over 4Ghz. 2oz copper PCB will probably help, but not too much if you are serious about 4ghz...

I guess u already know the basic-advanced stuff in OC-ing (since you said youre not new to OC), but one thing maybe that could make a difference is the GTL settings.
I've heard from several sources that E5200 likes low GTL's, something like 0.610x... Which actually help me in ocing my chip to over 4ghz, it really does make it more stable (it really doesnt help in going higher once you've reached max OC, it only makes it a little more stable).

Probably the owners of UD3R/P/L motherboards can tell you more regarding the mobo...
I am having problems getting a stable o/c with my chip without huge increases in vcore (1.4V will run 3500mhz OK but not stable). I can alter my p45 N/B and GTLs but have always left this on Auto. Is this the key to my problem I wonder. My gtl is 0.63 and NB is only 1.12V. You guys reckon this is my problem at hitting a stable o/c? My max fsb so far is 358mhz.
I was always of the understanding that P45 boards should handle the FSB up to 400mhz without tweaking.
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I haven't fared that well with overclocking the E5200 with this board. I'm using the default fan and cannot do a OCCT 3.1.0 LinPack test for an hour. This is at 12.5 x 300 ( 3.750 ghz ). With Vcore set to 1.4125 ( BIOS Reads it at 1.380, so does CPU-Z ).
OMG 1.4125V at 3.75Ghz with stock cooler? Better change that soon if you want stability at 3.75ghz

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I am having problems getting a stable o/c with my chip without huge increases in vcore (1.4V will run 3500mhz OK but not stable). I can alter my p45 N/B and GTLs but have always left this on Auto. Is this the key to my problem I wonder. My gtl is 0.63 and NB is only 1.2V. You guys reckon this is my problem at hitting a stable o/c? My max fsb so far is 358mhz.
I was always of the understanding that P45 boards should handle the FSB up to 400mhz without tweaking.
Well mate, every chip and motherboard is different. P45 motherboards can do up to 500mhz (some even more) but it depends on the CPU too. E5200 runs at 200mhz so 400mhz compared to 200mhz is a bit high. If you stick in a CPU that runs at a higher default FSB (like E7xxx or E8xxx series, which run at 266 and 333mhz respectively) your mobo will have higher default FSB and voltage for the NB. So i theory you can do 500mhz together with E5200, but it wont work cuz the CPU doesnt support it...

If you look at your max FSB you can see thats quite enough for a crazy OC... 358mhz x 12.5 = 4475mhz which is high enough, and you will probably burn your CPU at that speed

At higher FSB speeds, you definately need to increase voltage of the NB (lets say up to 1.4V for up to 350mhz). Try with that first, and if that doesnt work then try the GTL settings. Also 1.4V for 3.5Ghz is a bit high voltage for that speed, maybe you just got a rubbish chip... but to be safe try OC from the beginning only this time increas NB voltage. It is possible that your CPU will need less voltage this time (meaning that maybe your FSB's low voltage was making your OC unstable). Whats the VID on your chip (look in Core Temp)?

@Babylonian

Nice it worked out for you, sorry you lost all your data... Its always better to have 2 partitions when running one HDD. It does get a bit slower (the HDD i mean) but at least your files are safe

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My vid is 1.225V. I can get 3125mhz (250x12.5) with 1.31875vcore in BIOS,NB 1.12v(auto)gtlref 0.63(auto). Anything over that speed stability wise I need huge vcore increases e.g 1.38125, 330x10, even 266x12.5 needs same vcore, so I am guessing my cpu is happy with bus speed. But as I said this is leaving my NB voltage on Auto (1.12v) VTT also stays on 1.22V at auto no matter what clock I give it.
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My vid is 1.225V. I can get 3125mhz (250x12.5) with 1.31875vcore in BIOS,NB 1.12v(auto)gtlref 0.63(auto). Anything over that speed stability wise I need huge vcore increases e.g 1.38125, 330x10, even 266x12.5 needs same vcore, so I am guessing my cpu is happy with bus speed. But as I said this is leaving my NB voltage on Auto (1.12v) VTT also stays on 1.22V at auto no matter what clock I give it.
Your chip is similar to mine (at least on paper, same VID 1.225 on mine), but seriously try upping your VTT/NB voltage a bit, and lowering CPU core. If you give too much vcore to the CPU it can actually make it less stable. I have mine at 3.6Ghz@1.36V (in BIOS). I'll check on VTT/NB/GTL settings once i reboot, and let you know...

P.S. if you have a 40mm fan, slap it on your NB heatsink jsut in case before u up your NB volts
    
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Your chip is similar to mine (at least on paper, same VID 1.225 on mine), but seriously try upping your VTT/NB voltage a bit, and lowering CPU core. If you give too much vcore to the CPU it can actually make it less stable. I have mine at 3.6Ghz@1.36V (in BIOS). I'll check on VTT/NB/GTL settings once i reboot, and let you know...

P.S. if you have a 40mm fan, slap it on your NB heatsink jsut in case before u up your NB volts
OK Thanks.
My board has a good size heatsink on the NB. I have upped my NB voltage to 1.3V (that fixed my boot twice before posting at higher fsb) I lowered my vcore voltage but it is still unstable in Intel Burn Test. gtlref to 0.615 made no difference. VTT voltage to 1.3 (from 1.22) again made no difference.
I know its not my ram so I have ruled that out.
If you could post your settings it would be much appreciated.
I have a lot of tweaking options on this board including SB voltages and advanced memory stuff as well. Here is a link to my BIOS options if you are interested.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...re,2110-3.html
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I'm running 3.9GHz @ 1.36v on vcore, and 1.3v on NB and VTT. CPU reports 1.1625v VID on multiple programs.

Play with those voltages, you'll get there.

It can be a long frustrating process depending on your motherboard + cpu combo but it can happen. I've heard many people say to stay away from Asus boards with Nvidia chipsets but I've gotten INSANE overclocks from a Pentium 4 520J, Pentium D 920, and this Pentium Dual-Core E5200 on air cooling and I have no complaints whatsoever. So really, keep trying... don't worry about these wussies that say "don't go over 1.3625v on vcore." I mean, are you really gonna use this cpu for 10 years? I don't think so.
These cpu's can go well over that and run very stable and cool with the right setup.
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