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Only way I take my baby outside is if she's got plenty of Distilled coolant to get along without me if she gets lost for a day or so.

I love those shots and it looks like the gauntlet was thrown down at my feet. Must retaliate.



~Ceadder
Thanks. Your rig is awesome as well. I do this more for eye candy for the thread rather than competition. My little basic budget build is outclassed by you two. But I don't mind trying to make it look good.
LOL , I'm being kicked off of it right now so my 5yr old (the one that chose the blue) wants to play Max&Ruby games on Nick Jr. hahaha
    
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figured i'd pop in and give you guys a sneak peak at some of the hardware going into my case mod this year

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Thanks. Your rig is awesome as well. I do this more for eye candy for the thread rather than competition. My little basic budget build is outclassed by you two. But I don't mind trying to make it look good.
LOL , I'm being kicked off of it right now so my 5yr old (the one that chose the blue) wants to play Max&Ruby games on Nick Jr. hahaha
I'm glad I don't have those problems. Yet.

@Infinite... Go to Performance-PCs'.com and check out the Yate-Loon 120s'. You can get them in Red Blue or Green flavors and you can get them for as little as $4 each when you buy them unsleeved(trust me you don't want their sleeving) and unclipped. I can show you how to remove Molex connections if you just want to run them off MoBo headers with the 3 pin connections.

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@ Blech,beautiful shots of your 932.

Does removing the empty HDD holders noticeably improve airflow?
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@ Blech,beautiful shots of your 932.

Does removing the empty HDD holders noticeably improve airflow?
~Thank you kindly. I am glad you enjoyed the pics.

~I can feel good pressure from that front fan when I place my hand between the 6950s and the back of the rack. The rack has rounded edges (almost like mini venturi stacks) but still has vertical flat faces that obstruct airflow. I will grab a small lab airflow meter from work and make some comparisons as I am interested in the difference as well.

I have been wanting to move my hardrive up above in the optical drive area and use my dremel to drill out the rivets and rid the bottom bay altogether. I am getting real good flow from the front 200 but I imagine it will improve if I get rid of the rack. The 4 Rosewills push into the side and the 120mm Xigmatek Pushes upwards through the snake nest behind the PSU. Overall I am happy with my cooling solution.
Typical session I will see:
CPU across all 4 37ºc ~38ºc idle 56ºc max blast durations w/ 44ºc common while raiding in WOW (mild 4.4ghz atm)
GPU 1 38ºc idle 58ºc~65ºc general gaming "crossfinity" 5960 x 1080 (2to4AA) *
GPU 2 44ºc idle 58ºc~65ºc general gaming "crossfinity" 5960 x 1080 (2to4AA) *
*yes I do know that WOW is not a benchmark but it's the only game I play on this machine for reference of real world scenario.
Considering the TWIN FROZR open heatsink design with 4 x 80mm fans the HAF series with the open perforated case design (alleviates potential pressure problems) rids the heat bloom caused by the cards really well when you have enough air coming into the area.

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Quick fan question(s):

First are the decreased life expectancy and potential rpm of these fans acceptable versus this one. It's hard to beat 4 fans for the price of 1 1/3. I'm going to be using this as a bottom intake mount and may have it hooked up to a control. Also, does pwm matter at all outside the realm of mobo headers (i.e. using with a control)?

Also, would this be sufficient as a side intake fan mounted on the mesh?

Thanks guys.

EDIT: Damnit! Sorry for the double post.

EDIT2: Is it normal for the idle cpu temp to drop after a few days? Mine started out around 40C for the first day and as of last night in this morning it's been settling in the mid to low 30C range and still dropping. Is my cpu imploding or is this normal?
The fans in the 4 pack are the cheapo 120 fans that CM ships in a lot of their cases. They are cheap, quiet, but have no static pressure to speak (so are useless on heatsinks) and move very little air (they don't come close to the 4cfm in their specs). I wouldn't pay more than a buck a piece for them, and that would include shipping. If you don't care about LED lights and just want some good solid black fans that will move some air, have decent static pressure, won't break the bank, and aren't too loud get some Yate Loon D12SM-12's (Medium Speeds) for case fans. They also work fairly well as cpu heatsink fans, but they work best in a push/pull setup. Used like that they provide about the same temps (normally within 1-2C) of the higher speed and noisier High Speed D12SH-12 Yate used by itself, but considerably quieter. The High Speeds have more static pressure and move more air, but they are noticeably louder. If you want super quiet ones get their D12SL-12 Low Speeds. They are fine as case fans, but don't do very well on heatsinks.

If the opening can accomodate a 140mm fan, then go with either the Yate Loon D12SL-14 Low Speed or D12SM-14 Medium Speed fans. They are even quieter than their 120mm equivalents, but move the same amount of air. Their output is less focused than the 120mm fans so their static pressure is lower and they don't work quite as well on heatsinks, but as case fans they do fine.

Yate's are nice in that they can be picked up fairly inexpensively (sometimes for as little as $4 each for the 120s). With a bit of care they will last a long time. By that I mean lubricating them just prior to installing them and then once or twice a year (once if they are mounted blowing side to side and twice if they are mounted blowing up and down due to their sleeve bearing), but any sleeve bearing fan needs the same care to last.

Finally, you don't need hundreds of cfm's of air moving through a case to get good cooling so fans like those San Aces and Deltas are overkill. They are good for heatinks and rads for extreme cooling, but for case cooling direction and patterns of air are more important than massive amounts of airflow. Too much airflow through a case can be worse than not enough. I know in my CM Storm Sniper (which as far as I can tell is essentially the same chassis as the HAF 922 with different side panels and front and top bezels) I get the same cooling with just the standard 200 top and front fan and a Medium Speed Yate in the rear than I do with the 200 in the side panel. I can turn the fan speed of the two 200 fans down to their minimum and the temps are within 1C of what they are turned up to full speed (the rear exhaust MS Yate runs full speed all of the time). I'm still doing some testing, but more fans and more airflow doesn't seem to decrease temps in it. And I'm talking under 100% load too, not at idle. I get the same results on my Beta EVO case. More fans only made the case louder, not cooler. In fact, more airflow causes more problems than it fixes for me in that it is making it difficult to not over cool my hard drives (which is just as hard on them as over heating them). I'm fighting to keep the temps at 28C which is below the 30C minimum that hard drives should maintain for maximum life (hard drives should remain between 30 and 45C).
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The fans in the 4 pack are the cheapo 120 fans that CM ships in a lot of their cases. They are cheap, quiet, but have no static pressure to speak (so are useless on heatsinks) and move very little air (they don't come close to the 4cfm in their specs). I wouldn't pay more than a buck a piece for them, and that would include shipping. If you don't care about LED lights and just want some good solid black fans that will move some air, have decent static pressure, won't break the bank, and aren't too loud get some Yate Loon D12SM-12's (Medium Speeds) for case fans. They also work fairly well as cpu heatsink fans, but they work best in a push/pull setup. Used like that they provide about the same temps (normally within 1-2C) of the higher speed and noisier High Speed D12SH-12 Yate used by itself, but considerably quieter. The High Speeds have more static pressure and move more air, but they are noticeably louder. If you want super quiet ones get their D12SL-12 Low Speeds. They are fine as case fans, but don't do very well on heatsinks.

If the opening can accomodate a 140mm fan, then go with either the Yate Loon D12SL-14 Low Speed or D12SM-14 Medium Speed fans. They are even quieter than their 120mm equivalents, but move the same amount of air. Their output is less focused than the 120mm fans so their static pressure is lower and they don't work quite as well on heatsinks, but as case fans they do fine.

Yate's are nice in that they can be picked up fairly inexpensively (sometimes for as little as $4 each for the 120s). With a bit of care they will last a long time. By that I mean lubricating them just prior to installing them and then once or twice a year (once if they are mounted blowing side to side and twice if they are mounted blowing up and down due to their sleeve bearing), but any sleeve bearing fan needs the same care to last.

Finally, you don't need hundreds of cfm's of air moving through a case to get good cooling so fans like those San Aces and Deltas are overkill. They are good for heatinks and rads for extreme cooling, but for case cooling direction and patterns of air are more important than massive amounts of airflow. Too much airflow through a case can be worse than not enough. I know in my CM Storm Sniper (which as far as I can tell is essentially the same chassis as the HAF 922 with different side panels and front and top bezels) I get the same cooling with just the standard 200 top and front fan and a Medium Speed Yate in the rear than I do with the 200 in the side panel. I can turn the fan speed of the two 200 fans down to their minimum and the temps are within 1C of what they are turned up to full speed (the rear exhaust MS Yate runs full speed all of the time). I'm still doing some testing, but more fans and more airflow doesn't seem to decrease temps in it. And I'm talking under 100% load too, not at idle. I get the same results on my Beta EVO case. More fans only made the case louder, not cooler. In fact, more airflow causes more problems than it fixes for me in that it is making it difficult to not over cool my hard drives (which is just as hard on them as over heating them). I'm fighting to keep the temps at 28C which is below the 30C minimum that hard drives should maintain for maximum life (hard drives should remain between 30 and 45C).
Wow, that's a lot to think about. I've been kind of moving away from the idea of adding any fans as it is, and this just re-affirms it. However, do you think it would be worth switching out any of the stock fans (like your yate loon in the rear) with better quality components? Also, would adding a controller be worth it with the stock fans alone (taking into account my mobo)? I haven't done anything intensive yet besides a few quick benchmarks so I'm not sure exactly what I'm dealing with at load.

EDIT: Also, I've spent a while wading through benchmarks/system monitors, but I can;t seem to find one that could do an initial load test and give me an average/min-max temp read-out during the entirety of that test. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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@ Blech,beautiful shots of your 932.

Does removing the empty HDD holders noticeably improve airflow?
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~Thank you kindly. I am glad you enjoyed the pics.

~I can feel good pressure from that front fan when I place my hand between the 6950s and the back of the rack. The rack has rounded edges (almost like mini venturi stacks) but still has vertical flat faces that obstruct airflow. I will grab a small lab airflow meter from work and make some comparisons as I am interested in the difference as well.

I have been wanting to move my hardrive up above in the optical drive area and use my dremel to drill out the rivets and rid the bottom bay altogether. I am getting real good flow from the front 200 but I imagine it will improve if I get rid of the rack. The 4 Rosewills push into the side and the 120mm Xigmatek Pushes upwards through the snake nest behind the PSU. Overall I am happy with my cooling solution.
Typical session I will see:
CPU across all 4 37ºc ~38ºc idle 56ºc max blast durations w/ 44ºc common while raiding in WOW (mild 4.4ghz atm)
GPU 1 38ºc idle 58ºc~65ºc general gaming "crossfinity" 5960 x 1080 (2to4AA) *
GPU 2 44ºc idle 58ºc~65ºc general gaming "crossfinity" 5960 x 1080 (2to4AA) *
*yes I do know that WOW is not a benchmark but it's the only game I play on this machine for reference of real world scenario.
Considering the TWIN FROZR open heatsink design with 4 x 80mm fans the HAF series with the open perforated case design (alleviates potential pressure problems) rids the heat bloom caused by the cards really well when you have enough air coming into the area.

Since I work in T&E I love to test and try different configurations and note results for comparison/reference to influence potential future builds.


I've been removing the hard drive cages from my cases for a long time, to maximize the airflow. If you are using a lot of drives, then this isn't always practical, but I only use one hard drive so it goes into the 5&1/4 bay area quite nicely. I have an additional 120mm R4 fan in the front bay area above the bottom fan, and have since mounted another directly in front of the video cards (not shown in photo). Removing the rivets is a bit of a pain, but accomplishes the goal.
The 120mm fan I subbed for the stock 230mm looks puny in it's place, but sends a good concentrated blast of air towards the cards, particularly with the additional 120mm in front of it.
Good stats you've compiled on the cpu temps. and on those lovely TwinFrozr-equipped 6950's.
Your airflow meter should provide some interesting readings, and help compare the differences in airflow with different arrangements.
    
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Wow, that's a lot to think about. I've been kind of moving away from the idea of adding any fans as it is, and this just re-affirms it. However, do you think it would be worth switching out any of the stock fans (like your yate loon in the rear) with better quality components? Also, would adding a controller be worth it with the stock fans alone (taking into account my mobo)? I haven't done anything intensive yet besides a few quick benchmarks so I'm not sure exactly what I'm dealing with at load.

EDIT: Also, I've spent a while wading through benchmarks/system monitors, but I can;t seem to find one that could do an initial load test and give me an average/min-max temp read-out during the entirety of that test. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Replacing the rear exhaust fan would be worth it. The fan that comes with the Hyper 212+ is fine and wouldn't need to be replaced. If it was me I would probably pick up 3 of the D12SM-12's at a decent price and replace the rear exhaust fan with it and experiment with the other two in the bottom of the case blowing up (by the PSU) to see if it helps with your GPU temps and one in the 5.25" bays to see if that aids in cpu temps. SVC has them for $4 each when purchased 3 at a time. The Medium Speeds are nice in that they can be run without a controller and not get too loud.

If you install CoreTemp and configure it to load with Windows, run minimized, close to the system tray, and enable logging it will tell you what your temps were during the tests.
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Q6600 B3 Lapped @ 3.4 GA-EP45-UD3R EVGA 9600GSO 384m 96SP 4G (2x2) Patriot Viper PC2-8500 
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
Replacing the rear exhaust fan would be worth it. The fan that comes with the Hyper 212+ is fine and wouldn't need to be replaced. If it was me I would probably pick up 3 of the D12SM-12's at a decent price and replace the rear exhaust fan with it and experiment with the other two in the bottom of the case blowing up (by the PSU) to see if it helps with your GPU temps and one in the 5.25" bays to see if that aids in cpu temps. SVC has them for $4 each when purchased 3 at a time. The Medium Speeds are nice in that they can be run without a controller and not get too loud.

If you install CoreTemp and configure it to load with Windows, run minimized, close to the system tray, and enable logging it will tell you what your temps were during the tests.
Those fans look like a sweet deal, but they're out of stock. If I were to get 3 (probably will at that price) would I need anything extra to mount one in the 5.25" bay? I'm also not completely sure if getting a controller would be useful for me. I don't seem to be able to control any fan speeds through my mobo besides the q-fan, but on the other hand, turning knobs with no idea where exactly the rpms are resting seems fairly rudimentary.

I'll give that core temp a shot tomorrow, thanks!
Edited by Infinite Jest - 6/19/11 at 10:06pm
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