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No but I seriously disagree with some of the opinions you have heard.

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First of all though, you do have a straight up flaw in the build in my opnion. For 15$ more you can move up to the new 640gb Western Digital drive, which is noticibly faster than the 500gb. My friend gets 240mbps with 2 of them in RAID0, while I get 220 with 3 160GB drives. (and his access times are 4ms faster) Simply put, the drives scream, and you should have one. Just see the reviews.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136218
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Ok now to opinions.

I seriously prefer the 4870x2 to the SLI 260 setup. The 4870x2 is straight up faster in many benchmarks, lets you use Intel mobos, which are way better than the Nvidia counterparts, and they're also better at AA and have DX10.1.

Oh, and you can get it for 150 less than the 260 SLI combo if you hurry up and get on this BestBuy deal.
http://www.overclock.net/online-deal...-best-buy.html



Now that you've saved some $$ on the GPU, you can save even more on the Mobo. (And it overclocks higher than the Nvidia mobo as well)

This Asus P45 mobo will save you 90 more dollars (which will come in handy)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131299


OK, so we now have an extra 100-200$ in the budget, which is great, because I totally disagree that quads are overrated. First of all, multithreading is great for everything other than gaming. And even in games, it's nice to have the windows processes down on the 3rd and fourth core. Valve also believes that (probably because the 32 bit 2GB address limit is getting reached on textures) games will start using more computational power, and valve really likes multi core designs for implementing new gameplay models and more complex AI.

Quads are useful now, and will only get more useful. Also, with the new EO stepping quads, that good P45 mobo, and a nice cooler (all of which you have), I expect you to hit a good 4GHz with a Q9550 EO.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115041

(Or guarantee that EO at Tankguys, I've used the site and they hooked me up with my G0 Q6600 when it was released)

http://www.tankguys.com/product_info...d44a2b7911c096



I find that system better than what you had. It's all newer tech.
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I was considering the e8600, and decided it wasn't worth the extra price over the 8400. If you really enjoy overclocking then by all means go for it, its a beast!

A few things I think you should change:

Replace the 780i with the 750i FTW I just linked, its a better board at a better price IMO.

Switch the monitor with the ToC version, much higher response time and contrast ratio for the same price (including the MIR!)

Keep the memory and if you can justify the price the e8600, and if you're set on the 1200 and willing to pay extra for it, go for it.

I don't think your really need SLI, a single 260 Core 216 should be good enough for practically anything at that res, but if you want to play Crysis Wars on really high settings then it might be required. Again, its up to you whether you want to pay for it.
    
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a couple more additions to my above post.

If you're hell bent on going with Nvidia (which isn't really the greatest idea right now tbh), the 260sli setup will dominate the single 280. The 260 can overclock decently, but the 280 has the 65nm process stretched so thin that it can barely clock higher. Many times when both cards are overclocked to their max the 280 is only 10-15% faster.

Just finished building a 2500$ build for a friend with the 4870x2, and the thermals aren't that bad, it seemed better than the 3870x2 actually, and the 8.9 drivers are much better than the previous 2 releases. That card owns everything we threw at it, I came away from that build with a strong liking for that card. (while the 3870x2 totally sucked in my eyes, have to admit I was a bit apprehensive with the 4870x2, but they pulled it off)



Also, with a computer that fast, you better have a 24 inch monitor. This Acer for 300$ is actually a really nice monitor with great reviews. (yes its 1900x1080, so actually it's a bit smaller than most other 24s, but your GPU will be pushed harder than 1680x1050 of the 22'' regardless.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009154
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THE GPU to buy at the moment is the 4870 1GB. It can be found online for ~$300 and outperforms the GTX 280 is some tests while consuming less power.

Look at either the Q9450 or E8400 depending on your usage habits...

If your going ATI (and even if you're not), I'd recommend a mobo based around an Intel chipset.
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No but I seriously disagree with some of the opinions you have heard.

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First of all though, you do have a straight up flaw in the build in my opnion. For 15$ more you can move up to the new 640gb Western Digital drive, which is noticibly faster than the 500gb. My friend gets 240mbps with 2 of them in RAID0, while I get 220 with 3 160GB drives. (and his access times are 4ms faster) Simply put, the drives scream, and you should have one. Just see the reviews.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136218
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Ok now to opinions.

I seriously prefer the 4870x2 to the SLI 260 setup. The 4870x2 is straight up faster in many benchmarks, lets you use Intel mobos, which are way better than the Nvidia counterparts, and they're also better at AA and have DX10.1.

Oh, and you can get it for 150 less than the 260 SLI combo if you hurry up and get on this BestBuy deal.
http://www.overclock.net/online-deal...-best-buy.html



Now that you've saved some $$ on the GPU, you can save even more on the Mobo. (And it overclocks higher than the Nvidia mobo as well)

This Asus P45 mobo will save you 90 more dollars (which will come in handy)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131299

If you get that Bestbuy deal then its enough to justify a P45. I agree with mechtech. The drive is a good deal too, I just picked the lowest price 500GB.


As for the dual vs quad argument you do have a case, but with the q9550 you might have trouble hitting 4GHz. With the e8400 you would have no trouble, and with the e8600 its practically guaranteed and more. The e8600 could probably run 4.5GHz 24/7 on air. The extra MHz will negate any advantages of the quad core, and in the applications that don't use more than 2 cores you're going to get a massive improvement over the quad.

Personally I'm not even thinking about upgrading to a quad until deneb and i7 are on the table. I've hit 3.5GHz with a $90 processor, and I play my games within 5-10% of people with $200+ quads.
    
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THE GPU to buy at the moment is the 4870 1GB. It can be found online for ~$300 and outperforms the GTX 280 is some tests while consuming less power.

Look at either the Q9450 or E8400 depending on your usage habits...

If your going ATI (and even if you're not), I'd recommend a mobo based around an Intel chipset.
Its a mixed bag really. The 4870 1GB is definitely a good card, but the warranties aren't as good. Its really up to the OP though. If you want pure performance then get the 4870 and a decent p45 like a DFI LP or an ep45 (I don't recommend Asus). But if you're worried about anything ever happening to your video card or motherboard, and are thinking of possibly upgrading within the next 3 months(55nm is coming soon isn't it?), then a GTX 260 Core 216/750i FTW will still offer practically the same performance.

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Also, with a computer that fast, you better have a 24 inch monitor. This Acer for 300$ is actually a really nice monitor with great reviews. (yes its 1900x1080, so actually it's a bit smaller than most other 24s, but your GPU will be pushed harder than 1680x1050 of the 22'' regardless.
Thats what I was thinking. A single card with a 22" monitor would be perfect. Going for more will just exponentially increase the price if you want to maintain the same performance.
    
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Nathris how about this?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=10847588

Buying the bestbuy deal and the chip from tank guys if i get this build.

If you dont like asus mobo what one would u choose?
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Nathris how about this?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=10847588

Buying the bestbuy deal and the chip from tank guys if i get this build.

If you dont like asus mobo what one would u choose?
4870X2 is kinda overkill for that resolution. You'll only really need it if you want to run Crysis on very high with AA. But at that price its hard not to. I'm using a 9800GTX+ on a 17" monitor, so I know that overkill does have it's benefits.

As for the quad, if you can't hit 450 fsb 24/7 with that P5Q its a complete waste of money, and even then, an e8600 will OC higher with much more ease. If you really think you'll be doing a lot of video editing and other non-gaming cpu intensive things then go for it, otherwise an e8600/e8400 will be just as good, if not better due to the higher clocks.


You'll have to ask someone else about P45 boards though, because not only do I not know much about them, I've never owned an intel chipset board so I'm unfamiliar with them.

I've read this review of the 750i FTW though and I can't help but think this will be my next motherboard. If it wasn't for the fact that I do know P45s are just as good, if not better, I would recommend this mobo regardless, but as it stands, if you're going with the 4870X2 then a P45 is what you need.
    
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I checked out a few reviews of the P5Q and it looks pretty good. I may have to rethink my hatred of Asus. I still don't think you should get the quad, but with an e8400 or e8600 you're guaranteed some good times.
    
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