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Originally Posted by Ducky View Post
I call hax.

Maybe there was an image posted above the survey that looked like this..
I like DRM....
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Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post


Uhhh.. DEACTIVATE.. You have like 3 or 5 activations right now, yes? Well if for whatever reason you feel the need to blow through 3 - 5 installations already, EA is going to release something that will easily deactivate your installations. Its not uninstalling, its deactivating. You have say, 3 activations.. You have used 3 and need a forth, you just go into the software/whatever it is and deactivate the other 3 because they were on other computers/old installs or something.. And wallah, you have your 3 activations again..
You probably need to stop defending this subject because it's an uphill battle and you will not win against anyone on this forum with your points. In otherwords: shut up, you won't convince anyone.

Now, it's the exact same thing. Deactiviating preceeds uninstalling. Without the deactivation you can uninstall but you've lost an install forever and ever until you have to ring the publisher and beg for more installs and have to explain to them that you forgot to deactivate. Without EA's approval you cannot uninstall your game and be able to reuse it again. The developer allow you, essentially, to uninstall your game on your machine, ready to be installed again. The dev are keeping tabs on you , your machine and how many times you install and uninstall their product. Which is wrong and invasive.

The DRM is a big deal. It creates a new practice that makes me, the end user, jump through flaming hoops to make sure my games stay playable and, like the whole god damn tired debate keeps repeating over and over and you numbskulls never think about this properly, the pirates can play as many times as possible without hinderence. Hell, If I wasn't boycotting EA right now, I could go out and buy Warhead, install it and Crysis wars, crack the single player game so that crap doesn't bother me and still be able to play Crysis Wars without hinderence. I could legally buy a game and crack the DRM outta my and be totally unaffected by the pathetic measures, but that's not the point and to make the point I'm not buying anything from EA until the DRM is gone and there's a nice BIG public apology.

You are wrong and as long as you continue to stress yourself out over the legitimate argument against DRM you're going to look very, very silly. You're going to look like you don't think things through. You're going to come off to the entire forum as though you're about 12 years old and really, really have no experience with videogames for as long as some others have

Furthermore, your entire stance is unbelievable.
    
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Realistically Im inclined to agree with Lelouch on a few of his statements (not all).

I dont find DRM to be a hassle nor am I willing to enter this nonsensical conversation about consumer rights and whatever melodramatic bull**** people can come up with. Im also inclined to agree that most consumers are not worried about DRM because a growing percentage of consumers dont even pay for the software that is associated with the DRM and the vast majority are not even familiar with the issue to begin with.

I know this:

Nearly every damn publisher and development house in the pc software industry is concerned with illegal downloading of licensed content (oh and its coming to the consoles also). Regardless of how I as a consumer feel about DRM I cannot help but side with them that it is a concern not only for the growth of the industry but the continuation of technology within the industry. I do not think that DRM is the answer but Im not going to wave some God damn banner of righteousness because someone happens to be addressing a realistic concern, especially one that I believe is crucial to the continuation of the industry (which would be primarily pc gaming for this thread).

IMO the issue isnt about DRM or the boycott of it, but rather a realistic way to get people to actually pay for the software that they use/run. Until that is addressed ownership laws, digital rights, and a plethora of other such issues will simply never be rectified/tackled.
Edited by Woundingchaney - 10/18/08 at 10:42am
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You overclock and your complaining about this using system resourced? Yeah, ok..
Hell yes! I overclock to get the most out of my hardware, not to have ea install crap on my pc to slow it down.
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Hell yes! I overclock to get the most out of my hardware, not to have ea install crap on my pc to slow it down.
Agreed.
No matter how fast the PC is, the less its running the better.
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Sorry for my Noob question:whats this DRM ?
Digital Rights Management. It means many things. It can be the Protected AAC files that you get off iTunes to the SecuROM that EA installs with games. I personally, hate both. I burn my purchased songs to a CD and import them as MP3, and have a hacked .exe for Crysis, because it won't run normally. It senses that there is "Emulation Software" on my computer, which there is not. So in other words, it is technology that companies use to make more money.
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Realistically Im inclined to agree with Lelouch on a few of his statements (not all).

I dont find DRM to be a hassle nor am I willing to enter this nonsensical conversation about consumer rights and whatever melodramatic bull**** people can come up with. Im also inclined to agree that most consumers are not worried about DRM because a growing percentage of consumers dont even pay for the software that is associated with the DRM and the vast majority are not even familiar with the issue to begin with.

I know this:

Nearly every damn publisher and development house in the pc software industry is concerned with illegal downloading of licensed content (oh and its coming to the consoles also). Regardless of how I as a consumer feel about DRM I cannot help but side with them that it is a concern not only for the growth of the industry but the continuation of technology within the industry. I do not think that DRM is the answer but Im not going to wave some God damn banner of righteousness because someone happens to be addressing a realistic concern, especially one that I believe is crucial to the continuation of the industry (which would be primarily pc gaming for this thread).

And I fundamentally disagree and do not agree that we have to accept this DRM and move on. Just because it slips under the net for a few gamers and they don't even understand the situation, it doesn't, make it ok and it does not make it acceptable.
    
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And I fundamentally disagree and do not agree that we have to accept this DRM and move on. Just because it slips under the net for a few gamers and they don't even understand the situation, it doesn't, make it ok and it does not make it acceptable.
Here is the issue. I realize you do not support DRM nor do I, though I cannot and will not condemn a corporation or individuals within the industry for attempting to protect what I would consider to be marketable software. Until I or someone comes up with a viable realistic alternative I cannot make a stand against DRM primarily because I believe it to be an intended solution to a serious issue regardless of how viable it may or may not be.

First and foremost I play games (pc and otherwise) and support the corporations that publish and license these games and the individuals that create them. I do not support consumers that do not pay for these games because I view them to be a plague on the industry. This is where my concerns are, not on DRMs or any other such nonsense. I would rather rage against illegal downloading than DRMs any day of the week.

This is an issue that whether we accept it or not is brought upon Gamers by Gamers at least to some extent.
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Here is the issue. I realize you do not support DRM nor do I, though I cannot and will not condemn a corporation or individuals within the industry for attempting to protect what I would consider to be marketable software. Until I or someone comes up with a viable realistic alternative I cannot make a stand against DRM primarily because I believe it to be an intended solution to a serious issue regardless of how viable it may or may not be.

First and foremost I play games (pc and otherwise) and support the corporations that publish and license these games and the individuals that create them. I do not support consumers that do not pay for these games because I view them to be a plague on the industry. This is where my concerns are, not on DRMs or any other such nonsense. I would rather rage against illegal downloading than DRMs any day of the week.

This is an issue that whether we accept it or not is brought upon Gamers by Gamers at least to some extent.
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I am not blaming EA for pirating in general but with a corporate policy that is even looking to ban sales of products I purchase from them they are really going too far.

Go ahead and start putting restrictions on what I can do with something I pay for and I am going to start taking it. What happens when you can no longer resell a radio that you purchased or a car? Obviously that won't happen but it isn't much different.

This all comes down to greed. They are not worried about good games, satisfaction of the public or even entertainment for that matter. All they want is to post profits.

If EA could sell you ocean front property in Nebraska they would try. And when you realize there is no view you would be SOL.
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DRM is likely to get more invasive. If this was all it was going to be then I bet at least half of the "whiners" would not even be worried about it as most agree there are only a few people who are truly affected by Spores DRM. EA doesn't want to let you resell the games you buy from them. That is a bad trend.
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