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I've noticed three things that valve could have done to make this amazing game even better. I hope these changes are implemented in future L4D games.

1. Add a bit more opportunities for teamwork beyond covering each other and helping each up. You could require two survivors to unblock a door or unlock a security door for example.

2. Make the levels more open and provide at least one other alternate route to the safe house.

3. Add a bit of background to the game beyond "your trying to survive a zombie apocalypse". A bit of background the characters would be nice as well.
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I would bet that your account wouldn't have been banned had the thread link not been reported to Valve.

Regardless, that really sucks.
Yeah, well I have Shin2k35 to thank for that.

He acted without considering the reprocussions it may have on the buyers. I PM'ed DirtyDuck about a refund; he was logged in and still hasn't replied, so there is a very good chance I will be filing a paypal claim. It is the seller's responsibility to make sure what he is selling isn't illegal before doing so, and if DirtyDuck wouldn't have been such a douche when Shin2k35 asked him to close his F/S thread (which violated OCN's TOS as well) then none of this would have happened in the first place.

One big steaming pile of crap.

Either way it is too bad I won't be playing HL:EP3 because I was sort of looking forward to it. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that valve set this four-pack up expecting people to pitch in for it, if they didn't want that to happen they should have posted a clear disclaimer on the sale page instead of making a user have the foresight to dig around for single line in their TOS which states it is not permitted... which further supports my theory that they did want this to happen.

Once again, Valve can get screwed as far as I'm concerned. I still will not pirate games but if there has been one time in my life I've considered it, it is now.

I won't crap this thread up any further with my ranting... have fun with the game guys, I know I did for the three days I got to play it.


edit: DirtyDuck just PM'ed me and claims that his account still works... which sounds like total BS to me being that his forum username is the same as his steam ID, and there is no way that Valve would have locked a buyer's account and not the sellers. That is just silly.
Edited by iandh - 11/21/08 at 5:40pm
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Yeah, well I have Shin2k35 to thank for that.

He acted without considering the reprocussions it may have on the buyers. I PM'ed DirtyDuck about a refund; he was logged in and still hasn't replied, so there is a very good chance I will be filing a paypal claim. It is the seller's responsibility to make sure what he is selling isn't illegal before doing so, and if DirtyDuck wouldn't have been such a douche when Shin2k35 asked him to close his F/S thread (which violated OCN's TOS as well) then none of this would have happened in the first place.

One big steaming pile of crap.

Either way it is too bad I won't be playing HL:EP3 because I was sort of looking forward to it. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that valve set this four-pack up expecting people to pitch in for it, if they didn't want that to happen they should have posted a clear disclaimer on the sale page instead of making a user have the foresight to dig around for single line in their TOS which states it is not permitted... which further supports my theory that they did want this to happen.

Once again, Valve can get screwed as far as I'm concerned. I still will not pirate games but if there has been one time in my life I've considered it, it is now.

I won't crap this thread up any further with my ranting... have fun with the game guys, I know I did for the three days I got to play it.


edit: DirtyDuck just PM'ed me and claims that his account still works... which sounds like total BS to me being that his forum username is the same as his steam ID, and there is no way that Valve would have locked a buyer's account and not the sellers. That is just silly.
My account works just fine so far...don't know what to say. hmmm I will let you know if I get locked out.
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My account works just fine so far...don't know what to say. hmmm I will let you know if I get locked out.
I'm over it. Valve can shove their Draconian TOS where the sun doesn't shine... I don't even really care to be upset about it after this post.

Good luck with your account, and I hope that you don't get locked like I did.
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I'm over it. Valve can shove their Draconian TOS where the sun doesn't shine... I don't even really care to be upset about it after this post.

Good luck with your account, and I hope that you don't get locked like I did.
Did you try to contact Valve or Steam? Valve's phone number is 425-889-9642--not sure about Steam. I think you really should bring this up--maybe at least work out something that just takes away the L4D license (which seems to have been the issue).

Man, this is making me reconsider using Steam--absolutely no way to play your purchased games if they lock you out.

I know you said you're over it, but it's just not right. Sorry man.
    
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I'm over it. Valve can shove their Draconian TOS where the sun doesn't shine... I don't even really care to be upset about it after this post.

Good luck with your account, and I hope that you don't get locked like I did.
paypal will refund all your money even if dirtyduck doesn''t have it in his paypal account.

I had a situation like this and paypal did a charge back on the sellers personal checking account, I had my money back within 24 hours.

You are protected by paypal and will get your money back, probably within 48 hours

EDIT> as with any bad sales here on OCN if DirtyDuck doesn't give your money back you can get a mod to give him a permanent ban
Edited by huntman21014 - 11/21/08 at 6:47pm
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I fail to see how it is DirtyDucks fault. All those who bought it should have also known steam's TOS as they would have more than likely already had an account and should have read it.
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I fail to see how it is DirtyDucks fault. All those who bought it should have also known steam's TOS as they would have more than likely already had an account and should have read it.
But he was the seller, its the sellers responsibility to check to make sure something isn't illegal, even if the buyer didn't know it was illegal its still on the seller.

Paypal is always on the buyers side, I am sure he will get all of his money back and probably a coupon, whenever I have a problem with paypal they give me a coupon for 20% off anything bought with paypal
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I fail to see how it is DirtyDucks fault. All those who bought it should have also known steam's TOS as they would have more than likely already had an account and should have read it.
Did you even bother reading any of my posts?

If you didn't, then go read them please. If you already have, then you are a troll, so go away.




Also, unrelated to the post above, some PM's:


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That super sucks man...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. (although I understand your frustration.) I would refund you right this second as for I know you are a respected dealer and I don't want any one to think I am trying to rip anyone off...I just wish I had known about this before I spent all the money on my PP account. I will make this right one way or another man...I don't like unhappy customers.
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I honestly don't care man. ATM honestly I don't even want to look at a single post about Valve or Steam, let alone play their games using their fraudulent Steam client. As I said before, Valve can stick it where the sun doesn't shine and they will never receive another penny from me.

I don't feel you owe me any money and I don't particularly feel that you are responsible for this. As I said before I'm over it and will be moving on to other games, most likely on my PS3 where I can't have games that I paid for a right to use stolen from me.


Just wanted to let everyone know that DIRTYDUCK was being a stand up guy about it. I refused the refund because I shouldn't punish him for my bad luck. It's only $40 anyways.
Edited by iandh - 11/21/08 at 7:07pm
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Did you even bother reading any of my posts?

If you didn't, then go read them please. If you already have, then you are a troll, so go away.
What else does steam think people are going to be doing with 3 extra copies?! Of course people are gonna sell it, steam knew that and should put right there next to the buy button that you cannot sell the extra games!
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