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Originally Posted by MistaBernie View Post

But it's EF-S, who would use that rubbish?
Oh, wait, I forgot, while there's an L in quality, it doesn't make up the entire value. In reality this is a jab at one of our newer members that feels that EF-S glass is trash. Everyone I know that has shot the 10-22 (that knows what they're doing) has had nothing but good things to say about it, myself included (not owned but used one a few times).

10-22, 17-55, and 15-85mm; all EF-S, all good lenses.

For the money, the 55-250mm is a good lens too. Jason got some nice shots off the track with that lens, if memory serves.
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Yeah 55-250 compliments someone with an 18-55 thats just starting our perfectly. I actually have a line on one for $100 for a friend who just started shooting an XSi. So much better to shoot than the cheapo 75-300. I enjoyed my 17-85 but wasn't using it enough to keep it.
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Body: Canon 60D
Lenses: 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm f/1.8
Flash: Nissin Di622 Mk2
Bag: Domke F-5ZX

I usually just carry the 50 and the flash in the Domke bag, I like traveling light since I'm more likely to bring the camera with me. A nice wide angle lens is on my wish list this year, maybe a Canon 10-22 or a Tokina 11-16. I've been using a 300mm f/4L recently and have been loving the telephotos... maybe someday I'll get a 70-200. Ahh too much money for all that.
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Originally Posted by ritz View Post

Body: Canon 60D
Lenses: 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm f/1.8
Flash: Nissin Di622 Mk2
Bag: Domke F-5ZX
I usually just carry the 50 and the flash in the Domke bag, I like traveling light since I'm more likely to bring the camera with me. A nice wide angle lens is on my wish list this year, maybe a Canon 10-22 or a Tokina 11-16. I've been using a 300mm f/4L recently and have been loving the telephotos... maybe someday I'll get a 70-200. Ahh too much money for all that.

If you're on a budget, a Sigma 10-20mm is also worth considering.
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R31, I was about to say the same. My 10-20 treated me well - hopefully its treating Reaper well now. smile.gif
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Yeah, from what I've read there's only a few very minor differences between most of the ultra wide angle lenses. I'm planning on stopping by B&H sometime soon to try them out.
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Originally Posted by ritz View Post

Yeah, from what I've read there's only a few very minor differences between most of the ultra wide angle lenses. I'm planning on stopping by B&H sometime soon to try them out.

eek.gif

Words cannot describe how jealous I am of you right now, that you're within walking distance to B&H (or for that matter, any camera store).
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But it's EF-S, who would use that rubbish?
Oh, wait, I forgot, while there's an L in quality, it doesn't make up the entire value. In reality this is a jab at one of our newer members that feels that EF-S glass is trash. Everyone I know that has shot the 10-22 (that knows what they're doing) has had nothing but good things to say about it, myself included (not owned but used one a few times).

The whole L designation is just a marketing trick. The higher end EF-S lenses stop short of being fully designated "L" lenses because Canon hates making products that cannibalize into other areas. For instance, if the 10-22 had the build quality of an L, no one would buy the 17-40L or the 16-35L. The same with the 17-55 EFS, no one would buy the 24-70L. Maybe we won't see a 24-70L IS either, because then no one would buy the 17-55 EFS.
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10-22, 17-55, and 15-85mm; all EF-S, all good lenses.
For the money, the 55-250mm is a good lens too. Jason got some nice shots off the track with that lens, if memory serves.

I've never used the 15-85mm, but the 10-22 and 17-55 gets ranked up there among the best Canon zooms like the 70-200.
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Yeah 55-250 compliments someone with an 18-55 thats just starting our perfectly. I actually have a line on one for $100 for a friend who just started shooting an XSi. So much better to shoot than the cheapo 75-300. I enjoyed my 17-85 but wasn't using it enough to keep it.

I got an 18-55 IS from someone here on OCN for $75 thumb.gif
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eek.gif
Words cannot describe how jealous I am of you right now, that you're within walking distance to B&H (or for that matter, any camera store).

The coolness factor of B&H stops as soon as you discover that it's a people zoo. Everything is always priced at MSRP and to process a return, you'd have to jump a lot of hoops and steps. The overhead conveyors are probably the coolest, unique part of the store. I only shop at Adorama and J&R now.
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Ha
Oh man that is the greatest thing to do..

hey i know you have this nice camera but do you know how to actually use it?
Just piss them off completely with being a douche...
Was at a protest and this guy had a huge telephoto lense that he had strapped to his chest...I just couldnt help but ask
So what does that lens intend to do, Weed out the dumba55e5? I mean come on that has to have some kind of super duper i know photography aspect to it...
He just looked at me and flipped me off, waiving an local news station badge (apparently those are needed at a protest now so they dont get arrested? dont get it)
But it nothing like asking the simple things of
How do you look through the viewfinder, with your left or right eye...
Or I shoot automatic you should to its the best setting manual or Aperture Priority dont get the picture right...ha thats a fun one to

4AM makes you say silly things

Trust me im a professional...
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I love how this whole photography forum are under the opinion that good gear = bad things.

I'm the first to tell anyone that it's the photographer that makes the photo, not the camera. I laugh just as hard as the next guy at the 'What The Duck' comics. But seriously, there is a reason that there are 'L' quality lenses and 'DX' lenses. It isn't a marketing ploy. It isn't just to make money. It isn't for the elitest "professionals" who frown on the little guy. It's for people who are serious about photography and have the money to buy quality, because they are expected to deliver the best, in every regard. It's the same in any industry, whether you're a gamer with the best CPU and GPU about or even just a hairdresser with the best scissors money can buy.

The industry isn't out to get you.

That being said, money buys quality. What constitutes quality differs from person to person and those with the money can see it quite plain and simple. Those without it? Not so much. This isn't to say that every great photo in time has been taken on the best equipment available. Some of my favorite images are from pin-hole cameras. But that is personal taste, not quality photography.

Quality being something that is produced to your tools best ability and of course, your own.

And whether you want to deny it or say there are ways "around" it or whatever your delusion or arguement (those two terms are interchangable per person, I tell you now) -- Quality costs money. I'm not saying quality equals good photography, or good anything. But quality is the building blocks for professionals who are expected to perform as well as their equipment does -- No matter the situation.

I'd love to see a 50mm F/1.8 in torrential rain against a backlit sky up against a 50mm F/1.2 with full weather sealing and a proper USM motor. Sure, you may get some creative shots from that 50mm F/1.8 -- But the quality will be from the 50mm F/1.2 that focuses properly and withstands the weather. What photo will be better? No idea. Whoever the more "creative" photographer is, I guess. But I bet he'd have a leg up over the guy with the 50mm F/1.8 if their "skill" level was the same.

Again ... I'm not saying this constitutes good photography. I'm saying that there is no point in owning something sub-par when the conditions come up against you -- Whether torrential rain or simply harsh light -- I'm sure at one time or another some of you have used a 50mm F/1.8 or any other lens with "lackluster" AF systems -- You'll be there for days before you get a lock. And sure, you could use manual focus and argue that this is what a real photographer would do -- But sometimes you don't always have the chance to and that is the reason for the professional line of all camera brands, or any industries brand at that. And it doesn't just come down to focusing. Chromatic abberation. Lens flare. Weather sealing. You name it, it all improves with price.

If you want to continue believing that you don't need the best quality lenses and cameras to achieve the best quality images (Again, I'm talking quality here - Not creative or amazingly imagined images) - That's okay. But I assure you there will come a day that you wish you had professional quality glass on that award-winning image you might snag. Versus a badly focused, soft image because you swore that lenses and good gear doesn't matter and it's the person that does.

But a person is only as good as his tools. And yes, the same goes that the tools are only as good as the person holding them.

But why not be the best person holding the best tools, rather than the best person holding something absolutely useless in comparison?

Just food for thought for all the nay-sayers and haters of good equipment on this forum.
Edited by Kariz-Matik - 11/16/11 at 4:41am
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