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The whole L designation is just a marketing trick. The higher end EF-S lenses stop short of being fully designated "L" lenses because Canon hates making products that cannibalize into other areas. For instance, if the 10-22 had the build quality of an L, no one would buy the 17-40L or the 16-35L. The same with the 17-55 EFS, no one would buy the 24-70L. Maybe we won't see a 24-70L IS either, because then no one would buy the 17-55 EFS.
I've never used the 15-85mm, but the 10-22 and 17-55 gets ranked up there among the best Canon zooms like the 70-200.

You're comparing apples to oranges. L lenses are full-frame lenses, so it makes no sense to say someone with a FF camera would buy a 10-22 over a 16-35, since the 10-22 won't even mount and if it did, it wouldn't have the same FOV. The reason Canon "stops short" of designating EF-S lenses as L lenses is because they were designed for a specific sensor (APS-C) and for a specific demographic (amateur enthusiasts). Amateurs typically don't need higher-end features like weather sealing, insanely good build quality, fast AF, or even awesome bokeh. Canon simply met a growing demand of growing amateur DSLR users, nothing more. L lenses were around a while before EF-S, and so was EF for that matter. Since photography is so ubiquitous these days as well as access to education about the same, the typical APS-C owner has become more discerning in the quality they want in a lens, but aren't prepared to pay L prices for it.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. L lenses are full-frame lenses, so it makes no sense to say someone with a FF camera would buy a 10-22 over a 16-35, since the 10-22 won't even mount and if it did, it wouldn't have the same FOV. The reason Canon "stops short" of designating EF-S lenses as L lenses is because they were designed for a specific sensor (APS-C) and for a specific demographic (amateur enthusiasts). Amateurs typically don't need higher-end features like weather sealing, insanely good build quality, fast AF, or even awesome bokeh. Canon simply met a growing demand of growing amateur DSLR users, nothing more. L lenses were around a while before EF-S, and so was EF for that matter. Since photography is so ubiquitous these days as well as access to education about the same, the typical APS-C owner has become more discerning in the quality they want in a lens, but aren't prepared to pay L prices for it.

If I could +REP you right now, I totally would.
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Time for an update from last post!
BOLD is what's new...

Body:

Canon EOS Rebel T2i
KODAK Zi8 Pocket HD Video

Lens:

EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II (Kit)
EF 50mm f/1.4 USM with Filter

Bag:

Tamrac 3442 Rally 2 Camera Bag (Brown and Tan)

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LP-E8 Batteries (4 Total)
2 Microfiber Cloths
Kingston 8GB Flash Drive
Centon 32GB SDHC Class 10 Memory Card (from micro center of course)
Charger (Usually left at home)
Nebo Redline Flashlight
Knockoff BG-E8 Battery Grip (New favorite accessory)
Vanguard Alta+ 264AP Tripod



I'm having tons of fun with the new 50! So glad I went the extra mile for the 1.4!!
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Edited by Anton338 - 11/16/11 at 11:23am
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I'm having tons of fun with the new 50! So glad I went the extra mile for the 1.4!!
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The faster USM really is worth it, eh? Great shot!
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You're comparing apples to oranges. L lenses are full-frame lenses, so it makes no sense to say someone with a FF camera would buy a 10-22 over a 16-35, since the 10-22 won't even mount and if it did, it wouldn't have the same FOV. The reason Canon "stops short" of designating EF-S lenses as L lenses is because they were designed for a specific sensor (APS-C) and for a specific demographic (amateur enthusiasts). Amateurs typically don't need higher-end features like weather sealing, insanely good build quality, fast AF, or even awesome bokeh. Canon simply met a growing demand of growing amateur DSLR users, nothing more. L lenses were around a while before EF-S, and so was EF for that matter. Since photography is so ubiquitous these days as well as access to education about the same, the typical APS-C owner has become more discerning in the quality they want in a lens, but aren't prepared to pay L prices for it.

that bolded line is exactly what canon thinks, and that's why there's such a huge discrepancy with what canon makes across the different lines. why can't an ef-s have weather sealing? why can't ef-s have decent build quality? why can't you mount an ef-s to an FF camera? (nikon dx's can) and more importantly, why cant an ef-s lens be an L at the same time? it goes back to what i said earlier: L is a marketing gimmick designed to force you to buy into the higher end lenses if you want all that. it's not that canon isn't capable of doing this or that it's an economic barrier, it's because canon conscientiously made a choice not do it.

in reality you don't have to pay L prices for all that. the nikon 50 1.4g for $425 i bought (and sold) a couple of months ago came packaged like any other canon L lens: came with hood, pouch, weather sealing, good build quality, bokeh and af speed. when i bought even the highest end canon ef-s like the $999 17-55 2/8 is, why did i have to shell another $50 for the hood alone when it should have come in the box. that left a bitter taste in my mouth. it's weird because i would have gladly paid $1049 if canon sold it with the hood. heck, i would've gladly paid $1200-1300 if it was made into L standards with weather sealing and all - but guess what? that's where canon's 24-70 f/2.8mm price sits, and canon can't have that.

you even see this on canon bodies. why didn't the 5dmkii have the af of the 1ds mkiii? it's because canon decided, like you have, that "amateurs" don't need the features of "pro" equipment.

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Canon 1000D
18-55, 55-250, 50 f1.8

Just bought the 50, loving it so far - just need a free day to go walkies with it.
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Camera Body: Canon Rebel T2i

Lenses:
EF 50mm f/1.8 II
EF-S 18-55mm f/4.0-5.6 IS
EF 75-300mm F/5.6 III

Other stuff:
2x Wintec 16gb SD card class 10
2x spare 1500mah batteries
remote shutter
Edited by Monocog007 - 11/17/11 at 5:07am
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Camera Body: Canon Rebel T2i
Lenses:
EF 50mm f/1.8 II
EF-S 18-55mm f/4.0-5.6 IS
EF 70-300mm F/5.6 III
Other stuff:
2x Wintec 16gb SD card class 10
2x spare 1500mah batteries
remote shutter

I think you mixed your tele up with the 75-300mm. They don't make a "70-300mm III"; that Mk III iteration only exists with the similarly-named "75-300mm f/4-5.6 III".
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I think you mixed your tele up with the 75-300mm. They don't make a "70-300mm III"; that Mk III iteration only exists with the similarly-named "75-300mm f/4-5.6 III".

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