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The Witcher 3 ending
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Please 'spoiler' spoilers. I know it's an old game but you can't assume everyone who's going to play it has.

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Please 'spoiler' spoilers. I know it's an old game but you can't assume everyone who's going to play it has.

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Yeah you are right. Edited.
Although this game has multiple endings based on a long list of choices across the story, so I really doubt seeing a mere few ss could ruin anyone's game biggrin.gif
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Yeah you are right. Edited.
Although this game has multiple endings based on a long list of choices across the story, so I really doubt seeing a mere few ss could ruin anyone's game biggrin.gif

Thanks thumb.gif Yeah, you're probably right, however I haven't played it yet (even though it's very high on my list of 'must plays') so I was a bit shocked to see a post titled 'Witcher 3 ending' - I did the visual equivalent of stick my fingers in my ears and go 'la la la' loudly as I scrolled past your post as fast as I could biggrin.gif
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Assassin's Creed: Origin PC version,
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am extremely butthurt at moment, my xbox1 x arrived on friday, AC:O is the first game I tried out, it turns out PC version is the ONLY version that DOESN'T support HDR, so playing the same game on 2 platform on the same LG high end HDR 4K TV, x1x verison looked infinitely better than my PC version which I already spent 43 hours into mad.gif $E)@*$ me and UBI support never replied to my tweet on whether a HDR patch will hit PC or not. not very happy.. don't get me wrong, I always thought AC:O looked gorgeous on PC @ 4K/Max Setting, but good god, HDR is really the deal breaker.

I'm torn between getting an Xbox One X, or upgrading my PC (MSI ARMOUR OC GTX 1080/i5 4690k). I also have the PS4 Pro and an HDR 4k Samsung KS7000 (KS8000 US), which doubles as my PC monitor too... Whilst AC:O looks mind blowing... I'm curious how much better HDR looks? As really, my PS4 Pro isn't all that spectacular compared to my PC. Even with HDR. Although I only have AC:O on PC.

It would be nice to see a screenshot of both side by side to compare HDR vs Non-HDR on the PC.... Does the Xbox One X look THAT much better? If it does, I might sack off my gaming PC all-together!

It's a very difficult task my friend, as another poster mentioned, HDR Screenshots can not be captured by normal method since HDR is a combination feats from GPU, digital content(game or movie) and your TV, most software can only capture the raw data from the former 2.

You upgrade option is hard to suggest as well(either way you go, you will end up happy) depend on what you looking for really, how many older games you will play in 4k? would you trade that for vastly superior HDR visual in recent AAAs? To be honest if you go for anything below GTX1080, then I'd recommend X1X in a heart beat, but GTX1080 is more than enough to give you 4k/30-50fps on nearly all games in your Library, so such upgrade is definitely worthwhile than a new console with 0 games, though with an I5, your PC probably won't enjoy AC:O as good as X1x even without HDR. if you go with X1X, then bear in mind that you will need to embrace its eco-system too, meaning you will start buying every single multiplate for x1x from now and there will be no big exclusive for that console, when all its games can be played on PC(some without HDR)

To give you some perspective on HDR, here're 2 off screen pics I took with & without HDR, the difference on screen? looks almost like AC:O and AC:O remastered (no exaggeration) and PC version fall in a strange place in between. no HDR version I played(PC) as good as it looked, the overall presentation is wrapped under a boring color template, especially during dawn and mid night, it's either too yellow or too blue, the effect of HDR made every elements on screen more organic and lively, almost everything has a color of its own, provide a strong contrast and uniuqe look, you will start notice details that can't be spotted in none HDR version, especially fire, wooden material, green leafs, sands, moon light,etc.

Note: X1X version isn't perfect either, I notice slower asset stream when you move form tower to tower (but then my PC is way beyond a normal mainstream gaming PC so not fair to compare)


    
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It's a very difficult task my friend, as another poster mentioned, HDR Screenshots can not be captured by normal method since HDR is a combination feats from GPU, digital content(game or movie) and your TV, most software can only capture the raw data from the former 2.

You upgrade option is hard to suggest as well(either way you go, you will end up happy) depend on what you looking for really, how many older games you will play in 4k? would you trade that for vastly superior HDR visual in recent AAAs? To be honest if you go for anything below GTX1080, then I'd recommend X1X in a heart beat, but GTX1080 is more than enough to give you 4k/30-50fps on nearly all games in your Library, so such upgrade is definitely worthwhile than a new console with 0 games, though with an I5, your PC probably won't enjoy AC:O as good as X1x even without HDR. if you go with X1X, then bear in mind that you will need to embrace its eco-system too, meaning you will start buying every single multiplate for x1x from now and there will be no big exclusive for that console, when all its games can be played on PC(some without HDR)

To give you some perspective on HDR, here're 2 off screen pics I took with & without HDR, the difference on screen? looks almost like AC:O and AC:O remastered (no exaggeration) and PC version fall in a strange place in between. no HDR version I played(PC) as good as it looked, the overall presentation is wrapped under a boring color template, especially during dawn and mid night, it's either too yellow or too blue, the effect of HDR made every elements on screen more organic and lively, almost everything has a color of its own, provide a strong contrast and uniuqe look, you will start notice details that can't be spotted in none HDR version, especially fire, wooden material, green leafs, sands, moon light,etc.

Note: X1X version isn't perfect either, I notice slower asset stream when you move form tower to tower (but then my PC is way beyond a normal mainstream gaming PC so not fair to compare)
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It is very noticeable indeed! Thanks for those shots. I had a play around with my TV, put it in HDR mode on AC:O, and whilst it didn't appear to be fully supported, it looked really "organic" as you mentioned before, the detail doesn't pop quite as much as your shots seem to show on the XB1X but it is fairly decent, I messed around with all kinds of settings and managed to get it looking very good. It's crazy how altering the TV settings can make it seem like you're on a completely different TV all together.

I'm leaning towards just keeping my PC, no point in upgrading, as it is superior to the XB1X. I am running AC:O at 4K maxed out, at 45fps. (I've managed to lock it at this too, and it only ever drops to 30fps in really intense scenes). I was watching several YouTube videos of benchmarks for the 1080 vs the 1080ti, whilst the ti comes ahead in every single game. For me, I don't think I can justify the cost difference. My card is worth about £400, and to get a 1080ti... it is a further £200-250 more.

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HDR vs higher graphics settings on PC, I wager the latter will win, since most TVs have too few dimming zones to make good use of HDR and I believe HDR games are still only using sRGB color space. And then there are factors such as the ability to run frame rates much higher than 60 with no drops, the ability to use variable refresh rate and visual tweaks, mouse and keyboard, and the general uselessness of a console, I think it's a no brainer.

on most core elements, it seem X1X version is in line with PC's highest settings, 1 or 2 shadow or texture filter slider "difference" will need a microscope to spot if you care to zoom in 300% every once a while, but the striking visual difference in HDR is immediately evident and it stays with you min to min. as for "4k/60fps" with no drops, even on a cloud cho cho land where every PC gamer owns an I9 + GTX1080TI, to run games such as AC:O @ 4k/above 60fpsh no drop would be a high fairy tale let alone in reality. in truth games on PC runs in a wider FPS interval than console due to the nature of it's environment, there's no chance to lock onto a target frame rate unless you have significantly headroom to spare, I'd also recommend to look up the benchmark result on recent AAAs for reality check. FYI, Mouse & Keyboard are also supported on both console

"general uselessness of a console"? PS4 and it's killer apps aside, I don't know anybody would pick "variable refresh rate and visual tweak" over built in blue ray, free BW 360/x1 games and free movies. there're obvious reasons why most gamer pick consoles over PC as their primary entertainment device. Personally, I prefer PC over console for multiplat AAAs only because I can have visual set at highest setting without tweak ANY

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on most core elements, it seem X1X version is in line with PC's highest settings, 1 or 2 shadow or texture filter slider "difference" will need a microscope to spot if you care to zoom in 300% every once a while, but the striking visual difference in HDR is immediately evident and it stays with you min to min. as for "4k/60fps" with no drops, even on a cloud cho cho land where every PC gamer owns an I9 + GTX1080TI, to run games such as AC:O @ 4k/above 60fpsh no drop would be a high fairy tale let alone in reality. in truth games on PC runs in a wider FPS interval than console due to the nature of it's environment, there's no chance to lock onto a target frame rate unless you have significantly headroom to spare, I'd also recommend to look up the benchmark result on recent AAAs for reality check. FYI, Mouse & Keyboard are also supported on both console

"general uselessness of a console"? PS4 and it's killer apps aside, I don't know anybody would pick "variable refresh rate and visual tweak" over built in blue ray, free BW 360/x1 games and free movies. there're obvious reasons why most gamer pick consoles over PC as their primary entertainment device. Personally, I prefer PC over console for multiplat AAAs only because I can have visual set at highest setting without tweak ANY

On most core settings, X1X has lesser AO, lesser lighting, lower LOD, sometimes lower particle and decal number and quality.

It seems that the console, Xbox One X is Medium-High-Ultra settings, 4K30 with drops.I am not impressed.

Poor Eastern Europe that makes 8 times less than rich america is on PC, not consoles. PC has much better backwards compatibility, modding, and emulation. There are mods on PC that can rival the absolute best AAA games in all but graphics, which is the least important aspect of a game.

What do consoles have? Temporary exclusives, damage gaming long term... and cost less short term but more long term. Not much really.
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on most core elements, it seem X1X version is in line with PC's highest settings, 1 or 2 shadow or texture filter slider "difference" will need a microscope to spot if you care to zoom in 300% every once a while, but the striking visual difference in HDR is immediately evident and it stays with you min to min. as for "4k/60fps" with no drops, even on a cloud cho cho land where every PC gamer owns an I9 + GTX1080TI, to run games such as AC:O @ 4k/above 60fpsh no drop would be a high fairy tale let alone in reality. in truth games on PC runs in a wider FPS interval than console due to the nature of it's environment, there's no chance to lock onto a target frame rate unless you have significantly headroom to spare, I'd also recommend to look up the benchmark result on recent AAAs for reality check. FYI, Mouse & Keyboard are also supported on both console

"general uselessness of a console"? PS4 and it's killer apps aside, I don't know anybody would pick "variable refresh rate and visual tweak" over built in blue ray, free BW 360/x1 games and free movies. there're obvious reasons why most gamer pick consoles over PC as their primary entertainment device. Personally, I prefer PC over console for multiplat AAAs only because I can have visual set at highest setting without tweak ANY

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This is why I am struggling to decide. I am a PC gamer/PC Specialist, I've been building and repairing PC's for the last 15 years, and recently consoles have been really surprising me on their functionality, graphics and features for the price. HDR being one of the best, and 4K Netflix etc. After investing in a PS4 Pro last year, I realised how little visual difference there now is between PC and Console graphics. You'd have to be a fruit-bat to be able to see the difference. BF1 on PS4 Pro vs BF1 on PC... I was struggling to spot any real differences. Whilst there were some, the only thing I could instantly see was a draw distance, and it was on objects and pointless things you wouldn't even be able to see unless you got up real close to the screen.

Uncharted in HDR blew me away graphically until I got so tired of the gameplay I physically couldn't be bothered putting the disc in anymore ; this is really the only problem I have with console exclusive games, they become rather shallow, quite quickly for me, everyone seems to rave about Uncharted and The Last of Us, but the gameplay for me isn't all there, the controls are really jerky and I hate dealing with clickers... Why are shivs one use only, can get stuck at a check-point for hours-_-. Albeit this is only referring to these two exclusives but you get the point.

I do thoroughly enjoy PC gaming, but of late, I do not have a desk, so my set-up comprises of me balancing a mouse and keyboard on my lap or using a controller. Which is why, instead of all that faffing, I think to myself, would I prefer the Xbox One X? I do like just coming in from work and pressing the PS button on my controller, and everything is there straight away. With my PC I have to hook up the mouse & keyboard, stretch the cables across the room, find something to rest the mouse on, then mess around with graphics options, balancing the settings to achieve a constant framerate etc... I probably spend more time tweaking and messing about than I do actually playing games...

Although, games are a lot more expensive on consoles. Which would account for any extra cash I'd have left over if I sold my PC and bought one. I don't know it is a toughie.
    
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