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On most core settings, X1X has lesser AO, lesser lighting, lower LOD, sometimes lower particle and decal number and quality.

It seems that the console, Xbox One X is Medium-High-Ultra settings, 4K30 with drops.I am not impressed.

Poor Eastern Europe that makes 8 times less than rich america is on PC, not consoles. PC has much better backwards compatibility, modding, and emulation. There are mods on PC that can rival the absolute best AAA games in all but graphics, which is the least important aspect of a game.

What do consoles have? Temporary exclusives, damage gaming long term... and cost less short term but more long term. Not much really.

Watching a YT breakdown/analysis of a game and playing it in two different platforms is a vastly different experience. I don't scene-by-scene analyze my games as I play them, but the differences are minimal. Obviously the console is inferior to PC. The argument was never made otherwise, but the console has benefits.

Most of that conversation was about why HDR is great and that consoles now have evolved to be great 'mini PCs' rather than archaic platforms trying to embrace PowerPC.

Also, you say you're not impressed by the X1X AC:O graphics and performance and then make an argument that graphics are least important aspect of games?

If anything the X1X should push devs to put more work into the visuals of newer titles and that should be a good thing for everyone.

PS4 Pro had plenty of true exclusives... And what's that about costing more long term? In what way? Your argument is about as scattered and baseless as most console players arguments usually are.
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Watching a YT breakdown/analysis of a game and playing it in two different platforms is a vastly different experience. I don't scene-by-scene analyze my games as I play them, but the differences are minimal. Obviously the console is inferior to PC. The argument was never made otherwise, but the console has benefits.

Most of that conversation was about why HDR is great and that consoles now have evolved to be great 'mini PCs' rather than archaic platforms trying to embrace PowerPC.

Also, you say you're not impressed by the X1X AC:O graphics and performance and then make an argument that graphics are least important aspect of games?

If anything the X1X should push devs to put more work into the visuals of newer titles and that should be a good thing for everyone.

PS4 Pro had plenty of true exclusives... And what's that about costing more long term? In what way? Your argument is about as scattered and baseless as most console players arguments usually are.

I obviously am saying that graphics wont impress me in general as I play games for stories and gameplay but these ones the machine is capable of producing are... exactly as expected from reading its hardware specs tongue.gif. That was my point, it is exactly as expected. Not worse, not better.

PS4 Pro is not interesting to me either. It performs a bit less than expected due to the bandwidth limitations. Polari's DCC is not enough to compensate completely. Its games being exclusives is a bad thing as far as I am concerned, this means they are possibly mortal. Something that is anti-art, long term.

Consoles can cost less initially, but their games cost a bit more, you have to pay for the online. You lose either all or most of the backwards compatibility on PC and need to rebuy old games or keep your old console/computer with you as you upgrade. And in the rare cases where you can use backwards compatibility, the result ... isnt great compared to PC. No ability to use higher settings or resolutions or frame rates.

You also lose modding, one of the best things about gaming. Seeing modders tackle AAA games head on in quality bar graphics is amazing and you get it for free. That is a gigantic, massive loss to consoles.

Finally there is old console emulation as an argument to be made. I know some console gamers value companies above their fellow gamers or the art form itself, and for them emulation is an insult. But to me it is the only way forward for our art form to keep its achievements of the past. Why cant a PS4 Pro emulate a NES? I know why, but its a negative and affects value.

Plus you need to have a PC anyway in *current year*. COnsoles are luxury items.
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"graphics wont impress me in general as I play games for stories and gameplay"

Then

"PS4 Pro is not interesting to me either. It performs a bit less than expected due to the bandwidth limitations."

This is going nowhere. I'll let this get back in topic.
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"graphics wont impress me in general as I play games for stories and gameplay"

Then

"PS4 Pro is not interesting to me either. It performs a bit less than expected due to the bandwidth limitations."

This is going nowhere. I'll let this get back in topic.

Hahaha. It does seem a tad contradictory that's for sure especially considering this is a screenshot thread... rolleyes.gif. I'll have to post some screenshots soon, only got ones I've taken on my mobile of my 4k TV. Which to be honest, look fantastic anyway. Might have to upload them.
    
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"graphics wont impress me in general as I play games for stories and gameplay"

Then

"PS4 Pro is not interesting to me either. It performs a bit less than expected due to the bandwidth limitations."

This is going nowhere. I'll let this get back in topic.

*Sigh*
-Graphics are not super relevant to me. If you see what I have posted here, it has mostly been older games. Engineering wise there are no interesting tricks with the Xbox One X. It is as projected.

-PS4 Pro is not interesting to me in terms of engineering. It is underwhelming even, a bit under projections. Its games dont interest me either. Also read whole comments "Its games being exclusives is a bad thing as far as I am concerned, this means they are possibly mortal. Something that is anti-art, long term." was a part too.

There is no contradiction. Just people that read and those that dont biggrin.gif
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*Sigh*
-Graphics are not super relevant to me. If you see what I have posted here, it has mostly been older games. Engineering wise there are no interesting tricks with the Xbox One X. It is as projected.

-PS4 Pro is not interesting to me in terms of engineering. It is underwhelming even, a bit under projections. Its games dont interest me either. Also read whole comments "Its games being exclusives is a bad thing as far as I am concerned, this means they are possibly mortal. Something that is anti-art, long term." was a part too.

There is no contradiction. Just people that read and those that dont biggrin.gif

I think his point is entirely that; regardless of "engineering" which consequentially equates to performance &/or graphic out-put , you are almost comparing gameplay/story/etc... to the engineering factor of a console. As if to say the consoles are responsible for the poor gameplay/story aspects of said games (including exclusives) due to them being underpowered or "not as projected" as you put it, which ultimately is down to graphics. There have been some fantastic games purely made for consoles, and exclusives at that.

Whilst I agree with you on many fronts, you are alluding to the above whether you mean to or not.
    
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I think his point is entirely that; regardless of "engineering" which consequentially equates to performance &/or graphic out-put , you are almost comparing gameplay/story/etc... to the engineering factor of a console. As if to say the consoles are responsible for the poor gameplay/story aspects of said games (including exclusives) due to them being underpowered or "not as projected" as you put it, which ultimately is down to graphics. There have been some fantastic games purely made for consoles, and exclusives at that.

Whilst I agree with you on many fronts, you are alluding to the above whether you mean to or not.

Well on engineering my biggest pet peeve with the PS4 Pro is bandwidth. Even with the +30% gained with AMD second generation Delta Colour Compression, the console is bandwidth limited.

Sony knew of this but cheaped out. Again...

As for that part... technology can and does aid gameplay. And console exclusives usually are not very complex and rarely dabble in complex themes and ideas or go for ambitious technology. Such is life though frown.gif
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Well on engineering my biggest pet peeve with the PS4 Pro is bandwidth. Even with the +30% gained with AMD second generation Delta Colour Compression, the console is bandwidth limited.

Sony knew of this but cheaped out. Again...

As for that part... technology can and does aid gameplay. And console exclusives usually are not very complex and rarely dabble in complex themes and ideas or go for ambitious technology. Such is life though frown.gif
Not really, for example Guerrilla with their Horizon Zero Dawn, NaughtyDog with UC series. Especially HZD, that game looks gorgeous and arguably one of the best looking games ever created. Obviously there are ambitious devs that are working really hard on creating "ambitious technology games" for the PS4.
Gameplay wise PS4 has many wonderful exclusives, especially Bloodborne which is #1 in my best games of all time list. The game is simply a masterfully crafted masterpiece that no games I've ever played could rival. I don't know why some people don't like console but I don't think anyone could ever go wrong with picking up PS4. Especially with the upcoming games in 2018 PS4 is more and more "Ambitious" than ever.
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Not really, for example Guerrilla with their Horizon Zero Dawn, NaughtyDog with UC series. Especially HZD, that game looks gorgeous and arguably one of the best looking games ever created. Obviously there are ambitious devs that are working really hard on creating "ambitious technology games" for the PS4.
Gameplay wise PS4 has many wonderful exclusives, especially Bloodborne which is #1 in my best games of all time list. The game is simply a masterfully crafted masterpiece that no games I've ever played could rival. I don't know why some people don't like console but I don't think anyone could ever go wrong with picking up PS4. Especially with the upcoming games in 2018 PS4 is more and more "Ambitious" than ever.

Yeah that is impressive for the console, not so much otherwise. The graphics are pretty darn good despite bad LOD and many tricks, but the art style is usually exceptional and spot on. The animation and voice acting are some of the best though that isnt so much technology, rather money. However, their static, dead world, lack of great simulation or combat AI, physics... makes an impression though. Things AA Ukrainian studios solved 10 years ago are stumping their games.

I can imagine Bloodborne is a fun title, I have played Dark Souls. Alas it will be lost in time to die, decades from now if we cant save it on PC. I have hopes for it though, some gamers do love their art form more than the studios apparently do.

I dont see anything to push AI or gameplay or visuals in a gameplay direction or thematic depth in 2018, bar Metro Exodus.
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