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I do believe that I have not tried PL 7 just yet. I will soon mate
Friend just gave me a CoD4 key to come play with him, so I gotta quick make sure that this is stable enough.

Also, would my RAM being unstable cause Windows 7 to change to Basic Theme? It looks so ugly.
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Whoa. Water cooling FTW!!

By the way, save the screenshots as .PNGs.
lol thx, i was planning to wc everything until it suddenly hit me that im not made out of money . so now i have one of the most extreme cpu only wate cooling setups, with apparently one of the worst kind of q9550.
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I do believe that I have not tried PL 7 just yet. I will soon mate
Friend just gave me a CoD4 key to come play with him, so I gotta quick make sure that this is stable enough.

Also, would my RAM being unstable cause Windows 7 to change to Basic Theme? It looks so ugly.
Mine was losing Aero just like yours back a week ago when I first installed the UD3P and decided to wait almost 2 days to install a graphics driver I have never had problems with so far: 190.38. It seemed to only happen right before Windows started the screen saver.

So either it's an unstable overclock, or a slightly imperfect driver for your system (perhaps there's one that will work better for you).
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Mine was losing Aero just like yours back a week ago when I first installed the UD3P and decided to wait almost 2 days to install a graphics driver I have never had problems with so far: 190.38. It seemed to only happen right before Windows started the screen saver.

So either it's an unstable overclock, or a slightly imperfect driver for your system (perhaps there's one that will work better for you).

Unfortunately, the last time I tried to install newer drivers, my system wouldn't let me.
So I'm sticking with my good ol' 10.2's till I need to do a reinstall. Unfortunately, the latest drivers would've helped make BFBC2 play nicely

Was messing with my refs and the system wouldn't work well. Guess my chip doesn't like rational overclocks. I'll be updating my MIT settings with this new stuff after I get it stress tested though
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Everything I've ever seen typed up about LLC and Intel's 45nm CPUs says that it is not safe for them. However, it is always followed by a statement saying that it's perfectly fine for their 65nm CPUs.

So I'm sorry, but I will always maintain that it's not safe and I will always recommend that it not be used. This is the main reason why I will maintain it:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2404/5

And

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2404/6

But ever since I was first shown this article, I have noticed people saying that using LLC with Intel's 45nm CPUs has been found to be unsafe.


Anyway, my CPU is currently overclocked to 4.0 GHz, so if I need to set the references manually, then how is it done?
This article only shows how one motherboard copes with vDroop. Every motherboard acts differently. Also, their tests confirms that regardless of LLC or no LLC you will have spikes and the spikes will hit the approximate same levels for same stability/freq. Thus, the only change you are making is whether you are going to have vCore jacked in BIOS or not. It will still take the same voltages to maintain stability and you will have spikes. Just with LLC the spikes shouldn't go above what's set in BIOS, while no LLC will spike above BIOS setting. Either way you look at it we are still 'overvolting' our CPUs. LLC is merely a cosmetic change to what you see in BIOS vs what you see in software. Disabling LLC doesn't create any more stability then just bumping vCore a few more notches. Either/or you get the same results. This is one of the few articles by anandtech were I think they didn't cover enough bases to truly come to their conclusions. More motherboards should have been thrown into the mix. I'm positive they would have some mixed results. I know I've had mixed results with the ways I've seen boards handle vDroop.
    
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This article only shows how one motherboard copes with vDroop. Every motherboard acts differently. Also, their tests confirms that regardless of LLC or no LLC you will have spikes and the spikes will hit the approximate same levels for same stability/freq. Thus, the only change you are making is whether you are going to have vCore jacked in BIOS or not. It will still take the same voltages to maintain stability and you will have spikes. Just with LLC the spikes shouldn't go above what's set in BIOS, while no LLC will spike above BIOS setting. Either way you look at it we are still 'overvolting' our CPUs. LLC is merely a cosmetic change to what you see in BIOS vs what you see in software. Disabling LLC doesn't create any more stability then just bumping vCore a few more notches. Either/or you get the same results. This is one of the few articles by anandtech were I think they didn't cover enough bases to truly come to their conclusions. More motherboards should have been thrown into the mix. I'm positive they would have some mixed results. I know I've had mixed results with the ways I've seen boards handle vDroop.
But it's not saying that enabling LLC will introduce instablity; it's saying that it appears to be more harmful to the CPU in the long run than just leaving it disabled.
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But it's not saying that enabling LLC will introduce instablity; it's saying that it appears to be more harmful to the CPU in the long run than just leaving it disabled.
If you leave your vCore at the same level and just disable LLC then yes, your vCore will increase and as will its spikes. Their conclusion is solely more vCore = bad, which is not always the case for an overclocker. We live to overvolt our CPUs in an effert for more performance. Which we will be doing reguadless of LLC or no LLC. That's my point. They only says it's more dangerous because it's uses higher vcore with higer spike with the same BIOS voltage. We don't do that, if we disable LCC, we typically lower vCore as we don't need it set as high in BIOS anymore.
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Have you tried .785 or .800 on the CPU ref?
When I was testing my Ref voltages initially I tested 778 - 808 - 848 all with no luck. Gona have to check ET6 to see what its actually loading at...

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Tried PCI 101 or 102? Maybe a slight bump in ICH. I've seen vSB help stabilize FSBs before.
Not yet. Just starting this process, wondering how much CPU Term and MCH people are running for 500+ FSB...
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When you tested the cpu references last time was it before or after you got the mch reference set right? Most of the time youll need about 1.34-1.36 for cpu term but mch is going to vary a bit depending on ram. I need 1.40 mch for 1250/500 while some others use 1.46 for 1200/500, but if your going to be on 1:1 id probably start between 1.36-1.40 mch.
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When you tested the cpu references last time was it before or after you got the mch reference set right? Most of the time youll need about 1.34-1.36 for cpu term but mch is going to vary a bit depending on ram. I need 1.40 mch for 1250/500 while some others use 1.46 for 1200/500, but if your going to be on 1:1 id probably start between 1.36-1.40 mch.
I tested it before i tested the mch ref. The mch ref made everything stable so i never messed with the cpu ref..

Will do some tinkering at the end of the week and keep ya'll posted
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