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Yep, my reaction too. Was running LLC at 1.3625 as well. I'll post my stable 3.6 voltages when I get home, and shoot for 3.8 tonight (depending on how late I work). It's not even that temps were a problem.

On my 3.6 stable I didn't even touch RAM timings, just pushed up my ram to 2.00V.
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i would suggest you start off at a high vcore and work your way down ex. if you start at 1.4v @ load it would be 1.36v if its blend stable for 45 mins. take it down 2 -3 clicks in vcore at a time ect. ill fill out a FULL mit for you in a little.
2nd that. Try a higher vcore and try to get it to post. Then lower it as you tighten everything up.

Refusing to tighten the Ram will leave it a sloppy 4.0
   
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Regarding Memtest86+ and Memtest86:

It's more than just testing for defective memory. When overclocking the memory at all, it can reveal whether or not the overclock is stable because if it's not stable, then the memory will produce errors. After all, how can be called stable if the memory produces even just one error in Memtest?

But to actually stress memory in order to test that type of stability, we can certainly use the Blend test in Prime95 (and perhaps even the In-place large FFTs), but I've been told a few times in the past that HCi Design's MemTest is far superior (although, it's still important to use Prime95).

Regardless, Memtest86+/Memtest86 should not be ignored just because it's an error-checking program. After all, what if all of your testing passes perfectly but yet your memory produces errors in Memtest? What if tweaking the settings just a little bit gets rid of all of those errors? Or just the one error should it be just one.





Regarding LLC, just read these two pages and make up your own mind about it:
  1. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2404/5
  2. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2404/6

As for me, I will never, ever, ever, ever use LLC. This article made it clear that motherboard manufacturers only began to include this option due to demand; they knew that if they hadn't included it, then it would have killed their sales (and it would have pissed off a large number of people).

So is it really a myth? How can we be sure? And was it really perpetrated by some members? Maybe it's not a myth. Maybe time will eventually reveal to us that using LLC while overclocking a 45nm CPU (and now 32nm) is bad, or maybe it won't. But based on what those two pages show, there's no way I'm ever going to be convinced to use it - especially because I can't afford to replace it should it gradually become impossible to overclock it - even by 100 MHz. I mean, if using LLC could kill its ability to overclock (over the course of time), then I'd much rather replace it at that point instead of just dealing with it!

I apologize for being this way, but I love my stuff and I don't have any backup parts (I can't even afford to buy parts and set them aside just in case).

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Oh dear lord, maybe I should send you my Q66 just to depress you, that chip took 1.7 to do 3.6

Also, I see everyone setting their Performance Enhance to Turbo, is there really a use for that or am I just being a sissy by keeping it at Standard?
I think that leaving it on Standard could be better for overclocking. All of the advice I have received to date has always included leaving it on standard.
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What you use is your decision. But I will continue to use Blend to test my RAM, because I just don't think that Memtest is good enough at showing stability. I've seen numerous people say that their RAM is error free in Memtest, but it is horribly unstable in everything else.

As for LLC, again, personal preference. I think that the majority of people who frequent this thread know about TwoCable's stance on it already , and our minds haven't really been changed. Do what you like, just be aware of what it does and what the potential consequences could be.


And for the whole memory thing, It's best to leave it on Standard while overclocking the CPU. When you've finished tweaking that and made it nice and stable, then you can tweak the RAM. You can either set it to Turbo or change the advanced settings to 3-3-6-54-3 and change the PL to 8, it'll do the same thing. Extreme apparently makes it TOO tight, and thus unstable.
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2nd that. Try a higher vcore and try to get it to post. Then lower it as you tighten everything up.

Refusing to tighten the Ram will leave it a sloppy 4.0
Well I plan on focusing on getting the CPU up to 4.0 first, then tighten everything up RAM wise. I feel that trying to tighten my RAM at the same time as trying to get 4.0 will create too many variables for me to try and solve when I hardlock.
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What you use is your decision. But I will continue to use Blend to test my RAM, because I just don't think that Memtest is good enough at showing stability. I've seen numerous people say that their RAM is error free in Memtest, but it is horribly unstable in everything else.
But all I'm saying is that even so, Memtest86 shouldn't be left out. Well, this is mostly for people who want peace of mind.

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As for LLC, again, personal preference. I think that the majority of people who frequent this thread know about TwoCable's stance on it already , and our minds haven't really been changed. Do what you like, just be aware of what it does and what the potential consequences could be.
Yeah, that's all I'm saying: everyone needs to make up their own mind.

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And for the whole memory thing, It's best to leave it on Standard while overclocking the CPU. When you've finished tweaking that and made it nice and stable, then you can tweak the RAM. You can either set it to Turbo or change the advanced settings to 3-3-6-54-3 and change the PL to 8, it'll do the same thing. Extreme apparently makes it TOO tight, and thus unstable.
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The difference in using Memtest (and I am only talking about the one from Memtest.org, not the other one) and the other programs to test your ram is Windows. Memtest tests ONLY the ram since it is a self booting program. Everything else that is run from Windows has to deal with any and all of Windows instability issues (not meant as slamming Windows or MS, just a statement of fact). All it takes is one faulty driver, dll file, or misconfiguration setting and all of a sudden you have your stress tests failing even though the hardware isn't actually the problem. If your ram passes Memtest and fails other stress/stability tests it shows that the fault is NOT the ram but Windows. This information came directly from Micron/Crucial, Buffalo, and Mushkin.

I've taken it a step further by using Memtest, Prime from Windows, and MPrime from Linux on the same system and only the Windows Prime would fail.

Also one has to take into consideration that absolutely NONE of the tests from within Prime will test ONLY the ram so it is impossible to know for an absolute certainty that any results from Prime point to a Memory Issue. It simply can NOT be done.
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But all I'm saying is that even so, Memtest86 shouldn't be left out. Well, this is mostly for people who want peace of mind.


Yeah, that's all I'm saying: everyone needs to make up their own mind.


Ooo, this is good to know! I honestly didn't know yet.
In order of responses because I'm too lazy to multi quote like you:

But I don't WANT peace of mind, I want to use my rig . It takes HOURS to stability test a rig to perfection. And even then, there's no guarantee that it will even run 100% stable during real world use when you finally finish. Really, I find it useless. You could be like Freak and run SuperPi 32m and that will prove you're stable, or you can be like me and fire up Team Fortress 2 (which will throw a FIT at you if your CPU is unstable with multi core rendering enabled).

I guess I also answered this one in my first paragraph . Yes, people do need to make up their mind.

Hoss is the one who enlightened me


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This information came directly from Micron/Crucial, Buffalo, and Mushkin.
These people should come together, create an operating system so epic that it boots Windows off its high horse, and make millions of dollars to subsidize their SSDs and make them even cheaper for us consumers.
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The difference in using Memtest (and I am only talking about the one from Memtest.org, not the other one) and the other programs to test your ram is Windows. Memtest tests ONLY the ram since it is a self booting program. Everything else that is run from Windows has to deal with any and all of Windows instability issues (not meant as slamming Windows or MS, just a statement of fact). All it takes is one faulty driver, dll file, or misconfiguration setting and all of a sudden you have your stress tests failing even though the hardware isn't actually the problem. If your ram passes Memtest and fails other stress/stability tests it shows that the fault is NOT the ram but Windows. This information came directly from Micron/Crucial, Buffalo, and Mushkin.

I've taken it a step further by using Memtest, Prime from Windows, and MPrime from Linux on the same system and only the Windows Prime would fail.

Also one has to take into consideration that absolutely NONE of the tests from within Prime will test ONLY the ram so it is impossible to know for an absolute certainty that any results from Prime point to a Memory Issue. It simply can NOT be done.
Oh, then maybe this is why HCi Design's MemTest was pushed on me. I still haven't used it yet though (I guess it's just due to laziness or something).
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Did some benching at my local LAN party this past weekend. Using underdog's chiller setup I got these clocks on black_magix's UD3P.

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AMD FX 8320 SABERTOOTH 990FX ASUS R9 270X G.Skill Ripjaw 
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Crucial m4 320GB WD Caviar Blue Samsung DVD-RW Windows 7 Pro x64 
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24' Asus Razer Black Widow Corsair TX750w Silentium - custom acrylic case 
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Silentium
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Crucial m4 320GB WD Caviar Blue Samsung DVD-RW Windows 7 Pro x64 
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24' Asus Razer Black Widow Corsair TX750w Silentium - custom acrylic case 
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