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I don't really care what the Gigabyte manual states. I'm going by what Phoenix, AMI, Award, InSyte, and other bios manufacturer's state to do. I've been flashing bios's since the 80's including cross-flashing, hot-flashing, and and just plain old bios flashing. Every single reputable bios flashing tutorial states to load safe defaults prior to flashing a bios and immediately after. Some of the newer ones recommend loading Optimized defaults, but the safest method is safe defaults if that option is available.

Some other things to do when flashing a bios are:

* The machine must be in BOOT mode, not Resume mode.
* Any power on passwords in the bios must be disabled.
* All PCMCIA cards, USB, and Firewire devices and SD cards must be removed from the system prior to upgrading the BIOS. This includes keyboards, mice, printers, hard drives, etc.
* A notebook computer must not be attached to any type of docking device. It must be plugged into the AC outlet with the batter fully charged.

You can believe it or not, that is your call. But rest assured I know what I'm talking about here. It has nothing to do with what Gigabyte, Asus, Dell, DFI, MSI, Acer, or any other computer manufacturer recommends as they do NOT make the actual bios. It has to do with BIOS manufacturers like Award, AMI, Phoenix, etc. recommend doing as they are the ones who actually create the bios and know the most about them.
k, well like I said: I flashed mine about 20-30 times (at least!) without ever loading optimized defaults first. However, I suppose that was done for me by disabling "Keep DMI Data" in Q-Flash.

I also always left my USB mouse plugged in (keyboard is PS/2 heh).

So, you can throw your experience at me all you want right along with your superior knowledge, but it doesn't make what I'm telling you to be false. My stuff is still working perfectly fine after all that flashing even though I never did it "properly", as you would probably judge it. Instead, I just did it exactly as the EP45-UD3P manual says right along with my own addition of disabling "Keep DMI Data", and everything went smoothly each time.

In other words, I think your version of what the proper way to do it is old and outdated (no longer necessary). I mean, consider why I can just flash any time I want without any problems. Hell, do you want me to do it right now? I won't even disable "Keep DMI Data" this time. But you can bet that I'll still load optimized defaults after flashing because the manual recommends doing so. And if you really want me to prove it, then maybe I can learn how to make a video and learn how to post it. I've never done that before, but I am willing to do it just so you can see that you don't have to be nearly as anal about this as you think.

It's kinda like being concerned about carefully tweaking Windows for a solid state drive: that's not quite as necessary as it used to be.
Edited by TwoCables - 10/22/10 at 7:23pm
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You are missing my point. I never stated that you did it wrong, only that it is not the recommended way. If you want to go by Gigabyte's Manual's then it is safe to flash using Windows and most knowledgeable will tell you that this is not the ideal method to use. Of course if one takes note of all of the instructions in the manual about flashing a bios it states at the bottom of page 74 next to the Caution Triangle that "Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, please do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction". While that doesn't go into details on what one needs to do, the very wording implies (or is it infers) that one should take EVERY precaution to make sure that nothing could go wrong. Maybe you get a different meaning out of it than I do, but I interpret it to mean use every possible precaution which would mean to follow the BIOS manufacturer's recommendations.

Finally, like every thing else in life just because your method has worked for you without a hitch so far that doesn't mean that it is the best method. It also doesn't mean that the bios manufacturer's recommendations are outdated either, only that up till this time you haven't had a problem. All I'm trying to do is offer assistance and I simply do not understand why you have to go out of your way to disagree with anything I say. I really don't get it. The fact that I went out of my way to find an old post of yours to reply to concerning the issues that you were having with CPU-Z and 3DMark should be enough to show that my posting is NOT meant as an attack on you and the sincerity of my assistance. I could have just kept that information to myself and left you to your own devices, but I stepped up to the plate and offered assistance that you were only too happy to accept. I find this distressing at the very least.
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You are missing my point. I never stated that you did it wrong, only that it is not the recommended way. If you want to go by Gigabyte's Manual's then it is safe to flash using Windows and most knowledgeable will tell you that this is not the ideal method to use. Of course if one takes not of all of the instructions in the manual about flashing a bios it states, at the bottom of page 74 next to the Caution Triangle that "Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, please do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction". While that doesn't go into details on what one needs to do, the very wording implies (or is it infers) that one should take EVERY precaution to make sure that nothing could go wrong. Maybe you get a different meaning out of it than I do, but I interpret it to mean use every possible precaution which would mean to follow the BIOS manufacturer's recommendations.
lol no, it just means that they want their customers to slowly and carefully follow their instructions to the letter. How could it mean anything more than that?

And no, I was not missing your point. The impression I got was that you were saying that maybe I got lucky. But I say things have changed. If I could flash like that 20-30 times without one single damn problem, then what good would it do me to add extra steps like unplugging my mouse, loading optimized defaults first, etc.? Good grief. It works flawlessly by doing it exactly as Gigabyte's manual says, so why should I add steps? That doesn't make sense!

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Finally, like every thing else in life just because your method has worked for you with a hitch so far that doesn't mean that it is the best method.
I did not say that it's the best method. I am saying that it would be stupid of me to add any steps to it.

Again, stop hating me ok? You have absolutely zero reason to be hating me like this. And don't try to hide it! I'm not stupid! lol

This is getting really old. Grow up already. Get over it. So you misunderstood my intentions for adding the line to my signature about Asperger Syndrome. Big deal. I'm trying to get past this, but yet you continue to talk to me as though I'm some significantly inferior little bug or something. Just stop it! You and I share a significant common bond here! And if you don't think so, then why are we both here on OCN every day?

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It also doesn't mean that the bios manufacturer's recommendations are outdated either, only that up till this time you haven't had a problem. All I'm trying to do is offer assistance and I simply do not understand why you have to go out of your way to disagree with anything I say. I really don't get it.
It is because of the way you talk to me. It's your attitude towards me. You came in here and basically said I'm wrong and that when I flash the EP45-UD3P's BIOS, I need to add steps in order to be doing it correctly. If that were true, then I wouldn't have had perfectly consistent results so far. Please think about that! Gigabyte's way worked, and therefore it is perfectly sufficient for their motherboard.

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The fact that I went out of my way to find an old post of yours to reply to concerning the issues that you were having with CPU-Z and 3DMark should be enough to show that my posting is NOT meant as an attack on you and the sincerity of my assistance. I could have just kept that information to myself and left you to your own devices, but I stepped up to the plate and offered assistance that you were only too happy to accept. I find this distressing at the very least.
I told you before that I am eternally grateful to you for that, but you never acknowledged it.

But concerning the problem between us: I have asked you countless times to resolve this with me, but you have never responded. Every time I call you out, you just ignore me and wait a day or two before you say something else. Just like when I finally discovered a few weeks ago why you have a problem with me: I learned that it's because you assumed that the reason why I added "I have Asperger Syndrome" to my signature was to basically say, "Please allow me to be imperfect because I have a disability. If I offend you, then ignore it because I have a disability", or whatever. That was not the intention at all. You severely misunderstood it, I called you out on it, but you never responded. What, should I send you a private message in order to get a response?

You're the only genuine person on this message board I have a problem with. I have a problem with about 2 other people, but they are just trolls who keep finding ways to avoid being banned. However, you are not a troll. You're a very genuine person who's extremely helpful and knowledgeable, and yet you hate me. Don't deny it either. You said you hate my attitude, and everyone knows that when you hate somebody's attitude that you hate the person. You can't hate somebody's attitude and not hate the person.

So just admit that you misinterpreted my intentions for my signature and stop hating me, ok? This has gone on WAY too long. Every time we interact, it gets intense like this, and it must stop now. It must stop tonight!

Can we please move forward and just be friends?
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I'll make this short and sweet. Hating someones attitude does not mean one hates the person. But let's be perfectly honest here. I have NEVER stated that I hate your attitude, only that I have a problem with it. I also have a major problem with my oldest daughter's attitude as does her mother, her sister, as does the majority of people who know her but we all love her unconditionally. She's rude, inconsiderate, irresponsible, and in general socially unacceptable. It is the same as the Christian ethic of love the sinner and hate the sin. That doesn't mean that I consider you a sinner or anything of the sort, only that I do differentiate between the person and their actions.

As for not continuing to answer you rants in public, that is by design. You won't listen because you become way too defensive about it and take everything as a personal attack. Others ask me to stop feeding your tirades so I do. Then I make some innocuous post and you go off again, then you wonder why I have such a problem with your attitude. It is inconceivable that anyone would take offense at such as innocuous post as "In all honestly one should set the bios to safe defaults PRIOR to flashing the bios as well.". Sorry, but you have definitely stepped over the line here.
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Sigh.

PapaSmurf, please explain to me why you have a problem with my attitude and what caused you to begin having a problem with it. I want to resolve this now. This has been going on for way too long (3-4 months now, I believe).

But, if you refuse to answer me or if you don't want to resolve it, then I'll just keep after you. I'm not going to let you get away with treating me like I'm significantly inferior to you.

Consider this: you are the only person on this entire message board who has a problem with me (and who seems as though they have some kind of problem with me). Actually, there are a couple of others besides you, but they are just trolls. But you are not a troll. You are somebody I will not let go to waste as I have with those worthless trolls.

What you said a couple of hours ago is not the cause of this. It was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
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I've tried to explain it to you on more than one occasion but you either refuse to listen or are incapable of comprehending, but I'll give if one more try. The problem I have with your attitude is that you are intolerant, abusive, paranoid, and when things don't go your own way you pout like a spoiled child. You refuse to behave in a socially acceptable manner and lash out when ever and at whom ever happens to be in your way for absolutely no reason. Whenever anyone calls you on your adolescent behaviour you throw a hissy fit and ramble on for post after post. If anyone disagrees with you you take it as a personal attack. It isn't just me that feels this way about you either and I have the PM's to back that up. Every time this crap comes up I get numerous PM's from others who have incurred your wrath at some point or another. So far they run about 60% agreeing with me telling me that I have done nothing wrong, 40% saying that although they agree with me they don't want to stir up the pot by posting so in public for fear of incurring your wrath, and 10% stating that while they don't necessarily agree with either of us that I should back off and allow you to act out due to your handicap that prevents you from behaving in a proper social manner. I've even received PM's from a couple of the Moderator/Editors from OCN stating that they tolerate your behaviour and informed me to report your abusive posts instead of responding to them.

Personally I don't know if you actually do have some form of emotional handicap/disability or not, nor do I care as that does not excuse the way you act in public. You still need to conform to the same social conventions that everyone else does in social and public situations. If you truly do have aspergers I sympathize with you and wish you all the best, but you need to learn that you can't use it as a crutch to act out in public.

If you can't understand all of that please find someone who can explain it to as I'm am tired of this crap, and yes it is crap. I'm not going to waste my time searching for examples and linking to them as that would just be a waste of everyone's time and will only drag this on much longer than it needs be. Everything you need to know has already been posted and I grow tired of this.
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