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I can see that happening. Many years ago an internet service provider that was using a computer in a standard mid tower case for their e-mail server started having problems with it overheating one holiday weekend. It would run for about 15 minutes then overheat and shutdown. There wasn't any computer stores open to get any replacement fans for the cpu and northbridge heatsinks and oiling them didn't help enough (they had been run with too much dust for too long to be able to revive them). We put one of those big 20" box fans blowing into the case with the side panel off to get them through the weekend. The dumbies didn't get around to replacing the cpu and nb fans for almost another year when the box fan stopped working and the cpu burned up instead of shutting down. Gotta love people who don't understand a temp fix can't replace a proper fix.
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oh no. Another smurf. I hope Gargomel isn't following you.
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I just got water for my system (just cpu and video card)! What else do i need to increase voltage to overclock more? Like CPU ppl, termination, reference, and vcore. MCH core, dram reference, mch reference, i/o, and core. And also what are the max voltages for these? Thanks!
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Download the EP45 MIT.txt file (sig in link), fill it out with your current Bios Settings and include the VID of your cpu. You can find that in CoreTemp or RealTemp. CPU-Z shows vcore, not VID.

Copy and paste that filled out MIT into a new post using the advanced editor to change the font to Courier New or use the CODE Tag (the # symbol in the editor) so that it formats correctly and is easy to read. Someone should be able to make some suggestions based on your specific settings that you should try.
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oooo... thanks a bunch! imma go and write it down and post it.
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Here it is, couldn't find the advance clock control

Code:
CPU = e8400
Motherboard = GA-P45-UD3P
BIOS Version = F10
Ram = Mushkin XP Enhanced 2x2gb PC8500
VID = 1.2500


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 9x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .......................: 4.05ghz (450x9)


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive......................: 
PCI Express Clock Drive..............: 
CPU Clock Skew.......................: 
MCH Clock Skew.......................: 


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: auto
System Memory Multiplier ............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066   900
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual


Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.....................: 5
tRCD ................................: 5
tRP..................................: 5
tRAS.................................: 15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD.................................: auto
tWTR.................................: auto
tWR..................................: auto
tRFC.................................: auto
tRTP.................................: auto
Command Rate (CMD) ..................: auto


Channel A
Static tRead Value...................:auto

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................: auto


Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
Load Line Calibration (LLC) .........:Disabled 
CPU Vcore............................: 1.39375
CPU Termination.....1.200V*..........: 1.300
CPU PLL.............1.500V*..........: 1.500
CPU Referen.........0.755V*..........: 0.823

MCH/ICH
MCH Core............1.100V...........: 1.360
MCH Reference.......0.800V...........: 0.803
MCH/DRAM Ref........0.900V...........: auto
ICH I/O.............1.500V...........: 1.500
ICH Core............1.100V...........: 1.200

DRAM
DRAM Voltage .........1.800V.........: 2.000
DRAM Termination .....0.900V.........: auto
Channel A Reference ..0.900V.........: auto
Channel B Reference ..0.900V.........: auto
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Originally Posted by bl1tzk1213g View Post
Here it is, couldn't find the advance clock control

Code:
CPU = e8400
Motherboard = GA-P45-UD3P
BIOS Version = F10
Ram = Mushkin XP Enhanced 2x2gb PC8500
VID = 1.2500


MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 9x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio.................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .......................: 4.05ghz (450x9)


Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100


Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive......................: 
PCI Express Clock Drive..............: 
CPU Clock Skew.......................: 
MCH Clock Skew.......................: 


DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: auto
System Memory Multiplier ............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066   900
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual


Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.....................: 5
tRCD ................................: 5
tRP..................................: 5
tRAS.................................: 15

Advanced Timing Control
tRRD.................................: auto
tWTR.................................: auto
tWR..................................: auto
tRFC.................................: auto
tRTP.................................: auto
Command Rate (CMD) ..................: auto


Channel A
Static tRead Value...................:auto

Channel B
Static tRead Value...................: auto


Motherboard Voltage Control

CPU
Load Line Calibration (LLC) .........:Disabled 
CPU Vcore............................: 1.39375
CPU Termination.....1.200V*..........: 1.300
CPU PLL.............1.500V*..........: 1.500
CPU Referen.........0.755V*..........: 0.823

MCH/ICH
MCH Core............1.100V...........: 1.360
MCH Reference.......0.800V...........: 0.803
MCH/DRAM Ref........0.900V...........: auto
ICH I/O.............1.500V...........: 1.500
ICH Core............1.100V...........: 1.200

DRAM
DRAM Voltage .........1.800V.........: 2.000
DRAM Termination .....0.900V.........: auto
Channel A Reference ..0.900V.........: auto
Channel B Reference ..0.900V.........: auto
Max for your cpu is around 1.45v, that includes VCC overshoot (voltage spikes of 0.05v in idle-load transistions) so it seems your almost peaked as far as vcore is concerned.. 1.40v + .05v for vcc overshoot = 1.45.


However, depending on how much longer you want to run your E8400 is whether or not you could push it.

At 1.45v or so bios chances of your cu just up and dying are slim, you may cause long term damage. A few years down the road you may find it needs more voltage or less OC to remain stable....

IMO, go for it and start saving for a quad
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
As NG said, try to run them as fast as possible without loosening the timings too much. There's a fine line where looser timings and higher speeds result in slower performance. You just have to experiment a bit to find that point.

As for the voltage, it has as much to do with cooling as it does the actual temp. Unless you go to an extreme amount of voltage (say 3v when it's rated for 1.5) which can kill it by itself it's the amount of heat that the extra voltage generates that causes the problems. More voltage = more heat. If you have some sort of active cooling on the ram (or any other component) you can run them at a higher voltage than you can if the air around them is fairly stagnant. It doesn't need to be a wind tunnel, but just some air flowing over them in some fashion. Even placing a fan in the 5.25" drive bays blowing air past the ram towards the cpu heatsink can help a lot with that. It doesn't need to be a monster fan either. Even something pushing 20 to 40 cfms can do wonders.

This is why people running Corsair H50/60/70's and full water cooling rigs instead of air cooling will quite often have motherboard failures due to vrms, mosfets, etc. burning out do to insufficient cooling around the cpu socket. There just isn't enough airflow across the components to keep them adequately cooled. Setups like that are where side panel fans come in extremely handy. Even a ultra quiet 20-30cfm fan in the side panel blowing down around the memory and cpu socket can make a world of difference, much more so than they will with a big tower air heatsink which will block the side panel fans.

alright. The thing is i can only get it up to 1600 directly or drop it to 1066 because of my multiplier. at 1333 now, should i tighten the timings? what's a good deal at 1333mhz without any airflow over the ram?

Plus i often heard that the max one should go with DDR2 is 2.2v
Is'nt there some limit for these ddr3's also?

And do the memory timing have to be in some order? like 8-8-8-22 or say 7-8-7-20?
Edited by chip94 - 4/27/11 at 7:28am
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alright. The thing is i can only get it up to 1600 directly or drop it to 1066 because of my multiplier. at 1333 now, should i tighten the timings? what's a good deal at 1333mhz without any airflow over the ram?

Plus i often heard that the max one should go with DDR2 is 2.2v
Is'nt there some limit for these ddr3's also?

And do the memory timing have to be in some order? like 8-8-8-22 or say 7-8-7-20?
I've some DDR2 list 2.3 and 2.4v in the manufacturer's spec sheet, but they normally have larger heatsinks on them. Once you go above 2.2v though, it is a good idea to make sure you have some airflow over the memory heatsinks. I have no idea what the safe limit of DDR3 is. I rarely work with it, and then it's normally on fairly stock systems.

No, the timings don't have to be the same. You can have any combination that works.
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