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I think the F3's are rubbish unless you raid them up on a great motherbaord and short stroke them by a huge amount. Once all that's done, they become extremely powerful.
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So how exactly do you short stroke a HDD? It's basically just going into disk manager and partitioning the disk to between 10%-25% its total size so that it reads the outside area of the platters right? Do you have to partition the rest of the disk too or can you leave that space unallocated? I tried to do this with a Seagate 500GB HDD that I had laying around and It's only maybe a year old and I didn't see better results with it done that with it at 100% capacity. I thought that I was doing it wrong but I can't find anywhere how to actually short stroke a used disk. They all say to do it while initializing the disk but if it's a used disk then you can't re-initialize it lol.
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So how exactly do you short stroke a HDD? It's basically just going into disk manager and partitioning the disk to between 10%-25% its total size so that it reads the outside area of the platters right? Do you have to partition the rest of the disk too or can you leave that space unallocated? I tried to do this with a Seagate 500GB HDD that I had laying around and It's only maybe a year old and I didn't see better results with it done that with it at 100% capacity. I thought that I was doing it wrong but I can't find anywhere how to actually short stroke a used disk. They all say to do it while initializing the disk but if it's a used disk then you can't re-initialize it lol.
You are basically correct. Run a HDTune (or other benchmark) on the complete hard drive and see at what point the throughput starts to drop off. Now partition the hard drive to a single partition that is that size and do NOT partition the rest of the drive. That will provide you with the maximum performance that specific drive is capable of. Depending on the overall size of the drive that will be somewhere around 50 to 120gigs or so. Since that is all one needs for an OS drive it works out quite well.

The problem comes in if you try to utilize the rest of the space for anything besides storage for files that you rarely access (as in maybe once a month or less). If you try to use the rest of the space on a regular basis you make the drive work harder and cause stuttering, slowdowns, etc. That's why 320gig drives are a good option as they are cheap and the first 60 to 100gigs tend to fall into that optimal performance range.
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I don't use the drive at all. I was just messing with it to try and see the difference but I guess I can toss my less used game on that drive and free up that space on my SSD. Won't that also make the SSD a little more snappy if it doesn't have so much on it? I know it's not platters like in HDD's but I thought I heard someone say something like that before that less on a SSD will make it a little faster.
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I don't use the drive at all. I was just messing with it to try and see the difference but I guess I can toss my less used game on that drive and free up that space on my SSD. Won't that also make the SSD a little more snappy if it doesn't have so much on it? I know it's not platters like in HDD's but I thought I heard someone say something like that before that less on a SSD will make it a little faster.
For the most part the only time short stroking is worth the time and trouble is as an OS drive. You might see some benefit by loading some of your lesser used games from it, but for the most part it won't do enough for you to notice the difference.
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I think the F3's are rubbish unless you raid them up on a great motherbaord and short stroke them by a huge amount. Once all that's done, they become extremely powerful.
OOHHH rubbish (Fanboi say what)

Show me a un raided, un short stroked ........ well never mind your post voided any valid post you may have made here.

What? Show me 1 TB or Less HD 7200 RPM or < thats faster

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I'm not a fanboi of anything because I think that it's stupid to limit yourself to one brand or another because you like them. I think that if an off brand makes the best on the market at that time then that's what you should buy. With that said, I think that the WD Caviar Black's perform that well or even better at stock but I can't test that under your parameters because I have a 1.5 TB WD Caviar Black.
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I agree. Since they will compete for the title of having the best gear. But in terms of not "company" but rather their specific model, do they not have specific ones for performance?

So i know that the F3's in the UK for a while were slightly more expensive. But the example im gonna use is the Raptors. They are like 10k rpm, have "Heat Sinks" (I was so shocked when i saw them for the first time ) and have slightly lower seek times (Although afew ms is abit subjective, would not make much of a difference to many).

Now, would it be ok to assume that if i was to choose a raptor, i would always get these benefits?
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I'm not a fanboi of anything because I think that it's stupid to limit yourself to one brand or another because you like them. I think that if an off brand makes the best on the market at that time then that's what you should buy. With that said, I think that the WD Caviar Black's perform that well or even better at stock but I can't test that under your parameters because I have a 1.5 TB WD Caviar Black.
lets see your 1.5

Though any 1.5-2 gig should best a 1 gig
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All am saying is, ive found the F3 to be rubbish on it's own. It rans far better in raid with another and short stroked. All am saying! And it's true.

Edit: I never called the 1TB version of the F3 btw! I am talking about my own 500GB's and my experience with using them as a single drive compared to raid 0 short stroked. No comparison between the two. My current arrey is far better than running them in AHCI.
Edited by BradleyW - 11/5/10 at 7:15am
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