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I'm running an E8400(C0) on an Asus P5N-T Deluxe(Bios v.1106). This is my 2nd E8400 because my first one wouldn't overclock or even run stable at stock. I was hoping to get lucky and get the E0 but I didn't.

My first E8400 ran stock idle at 28-30ºC and load 38-40ºC. I use Real Temp 2.70 with -2.0 Idle Calibrations on both cores and the default 95 TJ Max. The first E8400 never varied more than 1ºC or so between cores. The new E8400's Core #0 runs 3-9ºC higher than Core #1 depending on load and overclock(very rarely the cores same temp and very briefly). I also see this variance in Hardware Monitor, but slightly less of a difference between core #0 and #1(~1ºC).

I use a ThermalTake CL-P0369 CPU HSF and Arctic Silver 5. I know that I installed the HSF correctly and the exact same as before. Could I have applied a little too much or too little AS5?

Thank you!
   
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post #2 of 10
It seems the problem probably lies with your AS5 application. Remount it, and put a single small line across the cores.
post #3 of 10
probably one core has too little or too much...

one horizontal line across the middle in the middle...so don't go from side to side.

anyways a 3C difference at full load on both cores isn't a big deal...especially if you are talking about 43C and 40C
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I normally apply the AS5 by "waxing"(spread out the AS5) a very thin layer of it on the entire CPU. I've always done this in the past and my temps for a stock E8400 have always been 25-30ºC idle and 35-40ºC load depending on ambient. I've also done this many times due to the fact that the Asus P5N-T Deluxe is junk(3 RMA's now), and upgrading motherboards in the past.

I don't know if I would trust the application of a line. My aftermarket HSF doesn't mount quite as tightly as a stock HSF. I'm not sure that I would get adequate coverage with that method. If that's not a problem....when you say "horizontal", which way do you mean? Horizontal as the tower is standing up in normal operating position?

I think it is possible I might have used too much or didn't spread it even enough. I'll probably re-apply with less and take my time for an even coat. If I still have the same problem then I'll try the "horizontal line" method. Thanks!
   
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post #5 of 10
I put so little mx-2 on my cpu and chipsets you can read through the layer. Seems to work much better. I idle @ 30-33c and load never exceeds 57c even using intelburntest.

You might have just gotten a crap chip like me. I can't go over 3.7ghz w/o having to fuss for a week over high voltage and very loose ram settings.
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Yeah that doesn't sound too bad. It could be that your heat spreader on this chip isn't flat (they rarely are!). You could lap it if you're OCD about those few degrees, or just check for flatness using a razor blade.

Place the blade at a 45 degree angle (apply no pressure) from one corner of the chip to the other. Look at the contact between the heat spreader and the razor, if you can see space or light passing through a gap then that is most likely the reason. Double check the other 2 corners so you make an X shape.
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I am concerned about the higher temps and the difference between cores. My goal is to reach 4.0GHz and maybe try for higher after that is 100% stable(I would be happy with ~3.70GHz though).

Lapping my CPU and HSF would be my last resort. But, in case my chip isn't flat...could I get a method of lapping or a link to one?
   
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Though you dont NEED this: http://www.easypckits.com/products/premiumlk/

It has what you would need (for the most part) and there are instructions at the bottom in a link.

Otherwise a forum search here or on google will answer that question.

That micron paper is overkill, but it would make things look purdy. Lapping isnt hard at all, just take your time.
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Originally Posted by Dark Volker View Post
I'm running an E8400(C0) on an Asus P5N-T Deluxe(Bios v.1106). This is my 2nd E8400 because my first one wouldn't overclock or even run stable at stock. I was hoping to get lucky and get the E0 but I didn't.

My first E8400 ran stock idle at 28-30ºC and load 38-40ºC. I use Real Temp 2.70 with -2.0 Idle Calibrations on both cores and the default 95 TJ Max. The first E8400 never varied more than 1ºC or so between cores. The new E8400's Core #0 runs 3-9ºC higher than Core #1 depending on load and overclock(very rarely the cores same temp and very briefly). I also see this variance in Hardware Monitor, but slightly less of a difference between core #0 and #1(~1ºC).

I use a ThermalTake CL-P0369 CPU HSF and Arctic Silver 5. I know that I installed the HSF correctly and the exact same as before. Could I have applied a little too much or too little AS5?

Thank you!
RealTemp 2.75 (and newer) uses 100c for TjMax now so up your temps +5
Try a newer version with the built-in sensor test that uses Prime95.
Also I would maybe re-calibrate.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2502

Latest version 2.90
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2804
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Real Temp 2.70 is still the newest version and the default TJ Max is 95ºC with my E8400. I read an article about someone calibrating with an E8400 and it said -2.0 for both cores is the most accurate idle calibration setting.

I reapplied my AS5 and my temps are lower and never more than 1ºC difference between cores. I guess I had too much and spread unevenly. Temps are great now. Thanks everyone.
   
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Bitspower White 90° Rotary Compression Fitting x1 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD Clear Tubing XSPC Xinruilian 1650RPM x4, Push/Pull Corsair AF120 rear exhaust, White ring 
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