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Yep, the M3A79-T is a very, very solid board indeed, but If you're budget conscious like me, go for the DFI.
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DFI 790FXB-M2RSH or DFI 790GX-M2RS... both are good, only 790GX supports only 8x/8x CF while 790FXB supports 16x/16x CF. But i dont really think it matters much, it is proven (kinda ) that 16x/16x shows very little gain compared to 8x/8x...

As i said in another thread... If you think 4th PCIe slot on the Asus M3A79-T is worth extra 25 euros,then go right ahead... if it was me, id go with the 790FXB-M2RSH... just as everyone else said, mind and get the SB750 board, and nothing else...

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The DFI 790FXB-M2RSH has no option to change NB voltages whcih will definitley affect your overlocks, and I believe the M3A79-T Deluxe is overpriced, I too, have been debating for a long time now, what would be a good Mobo to buy. The Foxconn A-79 seems to have a good price/performance ratio, but I have to see if the overclock that CHRISB17 has achieved is 4 Superpi instances stable Good Luck
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Actually, ignore what i just typed (for those who readed this)

http://www.alternate.be/html/product...wTechData=true

Is this one any good. I just noticed its the M3a78 instead of 79. the 79 isent listed except the 79-T deluxe wich is a huge jump in price.

Also, the DFI listed here isent listed on that website either
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Lol mate.... i tought Serbian web shops suck... but belgiums are worse
Cant you get something like DFI LP JR 790GX, maybe from another retailer? DFI JR 790GX will give you decent OC potential with nice voltage adjustments available through BIOS (and AOD)... Last time i checked it was ~110 euro...

UPDATE: just checked... its 110e here
DFI LanParty JR 790GX-M2RS
date: 19.12
price: 108,00€


heres what i suggest:

22" widescreen monitor: Asus VW221D - decent cheap 1680x1050 monitor with great sharpness and contrast
CPU sooler: HR-01 Plus - youll notice i have one, nuff said
And Phenom II will probably be around 250-275 euro
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Lol mate.... i tought Serbian web shops suck... but belgiums are worse
Cant you get something like DFI LP JR 790GX, maybe from another retailer? DFI JR 790GX will give you decent OC potential with nice voltage adjustments available through BIOS (and AOD)... Last time i checked it was ~110 euro...

UPDATE: just checked... its 110e here
DFI LanParty JR 790GX-M2RS
date: 19.12
price: 108,00€


heres what i suggest:

22" widescreen monitor: Asus VW221D - decent cheap 1680x1050 monitor with great sharpness and contrast
CPU sooler: HR-01 Plus - youll notice i have one, nuff said
And Phenom II will probably be around 250-275 euro
Thx for the suggestions, hopefully more boards will appear when phenom2 gets out.

alternate.be only shows one dfi board and its this one:
http://www.alternate.be/html/product...l?artno=GEED09

and its 170€ wich is over my budget a little


So is the M3A-78 any good? its a decent price, but the chipset worries me since its AMD 790GX isntead of AMD790FX
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I think that DFI board is 790FX/SB600 combination (the one on alternate.be)... u need 790FX(GX)/SB750...

Seriously i think that GX boards are pretty cool, you get SB750, backup VGA Card (a dam good one i may say - for an IGP), and priced lower than 790FXB ones.
The trick is:

790FX has 16x/16x CF
790GX has 8x/8x CF

but i really think it's not that much of a degrade in performance...
And if youre planing 1680x1050 22" monitor... seriously CF has limited use. I tried 4870+4850 CF on my rig, and it showed little to no FPS gain in most of the games (except Crysis OFC)... GTA IV showd virtually no improvement when runing CF setup vs single 4870...
Look at me explaining stuff... i have benchies...

Crysis Warhead

- Single 4850 512mb

Min | Max | Avg (FPS)
15 | 26 | 20.625

- Single 4870 512mb

Min | Max | Avg
1 | 35 | 27.710 ( i know... ***?!?! 1 (one) FPS min )

- CF 4870+4850

Min | Max | Avg
15 | 35 | 22.508

list of all the benches is in the RAR file...

First of all since i bought 790FX board i realised that CF is an option that only has sense when you have something like 4870x2 times 2, or GTX 260 times 2.... secondly if youre not running 26-30" full HD display... YOU DONT NEED IT....

So mu suggestion to you is... Buy 790GX, save some money, insert that Phenom II there, and save money for 4870x2 (4850x2) or a newer card... When you look at price/performance ratio whn running CF it just doesnt pay off... (on a 1680x1050 display that is...)


cheers

UPDATE: go for the Asus board... i reckon its really good, not top notch, but really good... You need no more than that, and it's within your budget...
But seriously is there no way on getting any other 790GX board from another retailer? You can get a pretty good one for 110-115 euro, and save some money for Phenom II which kinda seems will be expensive at first...
I can get M3A78-T for as low as 95-100eur in Serbia, are you sure those prices on alternate.be are not overexaggerated?
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Originally Posted by miloshs View Post
I think that DFI board is 790FX/SB600 combination (the one on alternate.be)... u need 790FX(GX)/SB750...

Seriously i think that GX boards are pretty cool, you get SB750, backup VGA Card (a dam good one i may say - for an IGP), and priced lower than 790FXB ones.
The trick is:

790FX has 16x/16x CF
790GX has 8x/8x CF

but i really think it's not that much of a degrade in performance...
And if youre planing 1680x1050 22" monitor... seriously CF has limited use. I tried 4870+4850 CF on my rig, and it showed little to no FPS gain in most of the games (except Crysis OFC)... GTA IV showd virtually no improvement when runing CF setup vs single 4870...
Look at me explaining stuff... i have benchies...

Crysis Warhead

- Single 4850 512mb

Min | Max | Avg (FPS)
15 | 26 | 20.625

- Single 4870 512mb

Min | Max | Avg
1 | 35 | 27.710 ( i know... ***?!?! 1 (one) FPS min )

- CF 4870+4850

Min | Max | Avg
15 | 35 | 22.508

list of all the benches is in the RAR file...

First of all since i bought 790FX board i realised that CF is an option that only has sense when you have something like 4870x2 times 2, or GTX 260 times 2.... secondly if youre not running 26-30" full HD display... YOU DONT NEED IT....

So mu suggestion to you is... Buy 790GX, save some money, insert that Phenom II there, and save money for 4870x2 (4850x2) or a newer card... When you look at price/performance ratio whn running CF it just doesnt pay off... (on a 1680x1050 display that is...)


cheers

UPDATE: go for the Asus board... i reckon its really good, not top notch, but really good... You need no more than that, and it's within your budget...
But seriously is there no way on getting any other 790GX board from another retailer? You can get a pretty good one for 110-115 euro, and save some money for Phenom II which kinda seems will be expensive at first...
I can get M3A78-T for as low as 95-100eur in Serbia, are you sure those prices on alternate.be are not overexaggerated?

Thanks for clearing that out.

I'm not really planning to use CF just for extra gain, I was more thinking to trowing in another one when newer games in the future might not run well anymore with just this current 4870. Unless they have better deals for X2's or a card that just simply better then 2 4870.

Also, you say 8/8 & 16/16 dont make any difference now, but what about later? Maybe a month after i buy it the 16/16 becomes better then 8/8 (just an example) Is there any other info based on this, so now i can last at least a year with this mobo without having to worry that I should have bought a 790FX instead?

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UPDATE: go for the Asus board... i reckon its really good, not top notch, but really good... You need no more than that, and it's within your budget...
But seriously is there no way on getting any other 790GX board from another retailer? You can get a pretty good one for 110-115 euro, and save some money for Phenom II which kinda seems will be expensive at first...
I can get M3A78-T for as low as 95-100eur in Serbia, are you sure those prices on alternate.be are not overexaggerated?
I'm afraid not. It dousnt even show that many mobo's with 790fx in the first place.
Actually, the one I listed is the only 790GX board on the site.

And this site is one of the most recent up to date sites i know about. most other stores only list crap or even have out to date prices on them.

But the store i order these things from can make it turn our cheaper tho. not much but i could save like 20€ or something. I'll just keep my savings based on the prices listed on alternate.be
and hell, maybe i save enough that i could replace the M3a78-T with a 79-T deluxe after all

Dont forget, Phenom 2 is still 2 months away basicly
Prices could drop (or increase) and new types might be available.
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As i see it, the prices of 4870 and 4850 cards will not drop for a bit longer. I was trying to say that 16x/16x vs 8x/8x really doesnt do anything since CF has awfull scaling anyway...

I tested 2x 3870's in my rig too, and OMG it was a pain to see two cards perform as one... If you think of it, it pays off better to have a single fast PCIe slot, cuz 1 kick ass single card is going to PWN 2x slower cards ass ANYTIME, and i really mean ANYTIME...

And trust me, as soon as the 5800 (or whatever the hell it will be) series of cards comes out, AMD driver developers will halt the tweaking for 38xx and 48xx Crossfire (well maybe not halt but really slow down) and focus on 58xx tweaks... Now do you see a magical circle here?

If dual cards is the way u want to go (in the future) i would opt for nVidia... 9600GT has been proven to scale close to 70%, thats 70% increase in performance compared to 1 single 9600GT...


Just take a stop here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ss,2095-5.html), and see how CF does... 16x/16x has its advantages over 8x/8x but my point was that even on a 16x/16x CF doesnt scale for ****, trust me i own 16x/16x motherboard ...
Not to mention that a CF board will set you back some more, cash wise...
If you really think that 5-7fps in Crysis on max,max,max details with gazzilion AA is worth 200eur (extra 4870), then sure go for it... I think otherwise!

To make it short... Crossfire is like a nuclear reactor, high powered, but very unstable and you never know what you get... the sure thing youre getting from Crossfire is money taken from your pocket... For a worthwile Crossfire you would need a kick ass CF motherboard that costs over 200eur...

Phenom II is due to show up in stores on January 8th, thats two weeks from now... if you count in the holidays its more like 2 days ... You know with all the having fun stuff


All im saying about CF is from a personal experience... I have a full CF capable mobo cuz i was thinking like you are now... "Hmmm ill add one more card later and PWNT!, power gaming renewed..." but doesnt really work that way. Most of the time my spare 2x PCIe slots are empty and sad, and not doing anything... cuz for 400euro (price of 2x 4870) id rather save some more 30-50 eur and get a 4870x2 which will perform better than 4870 CF, and cost about the same... For now a single 4870 is powerfull enough for top-notch gaming in any game, unless youre playing 2560x1600 on max details with 8xAA and 16xAF...

I can play (Crysis excluded - needs more GPU, GTA IV - needs more CPU) all the games in 1680x1050 on max details with 4-8x AA with my 4850 512mb...

OMG this is just too much text from me for a single post


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[/quote]Phenom II is due to show up in stores on January 8th, thats two weeks from now... if you count in the holidays its more like 2 days ... You know with all the having fun stuff [/quote]

Afaik they appear on jan 08 for pre order but they will ship arround februari. Not sure about this, but i readed a thread about this a while ago on this board.

and no, I don't see the need for a new GPU now. I did think that if i'd add in another in the future it would boost my performance again allowing me to still play newer games at acceptable settings. I only have a 17" screen so i run games at 1024 x 1280 (though i might get a new monitor months later if i get the money)

I guess i'll just take your advice then.

Thanks for clearing that out, much appreciated!
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