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Out of your OP I couldn't really figure out what exactly was your problem.
Are you having issues with your GPU? Or are you just having a hard time finding something to connect your PSU to an outlet with?

For the latter, you should go to 2ch.net and ask about where to get the cable you need.
Somebody there ought to know
This is the reason I was thinking of replacing my PSU http://www.overclock.net/ati/424230-...x2-broken.html
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The reason I am changing my PSU is due to the fact that I am currently in Japan, and the Alienware came with a PSU that has an Euro (German-type, not the common euro-plug) power cord. There is no equivalent in Japan for this,
STOP!!!

That is NOT a "Euro power cord". It might have a European plug on the end that plugs into the wall, but the part that plugs into the PC is just a "high wattage" PSU power cord called an "IEC C19/C20" (which makes sense since your PSU is a 1kW unit), and you can buy a plug on the end for whatever country you're in.

http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgpower/worl...tml#plug_types

MOST high wattage units have this power cord (SilverStone, SevenTeam, etc.) and any DECENT computer store should have a power cord for you. If you haven't found that cord, you're not going to the right stores. Go to a store that actually has decent high wattage PSU's in stock (SevenTeam is big in Japan and they use that power cord on everything 850W and up.)

In summary: You just need something with an IEC C19/C20 on one end and a NEMA 5-15 (same as US. Japan uses same socket as US but a lower 100V as opposed to 120V) on the other end.

Like this: http://www.diguniverse.com/SURGE-PRO...SY2015514.html

Will it solve your problems? Probably not. Your problems don't sound PSU related to me.
Edited by jonnyGURU - 12/13/08 at 5:52pm
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STOP!!!

That is NOT a "Euro power cord". It might have a European plug on the end that plugs into the wall, but the part that plugs into the PC is just a "high wattage" PSU power cord called an "IEC C19/C20" (which makes sense since your PSU is a 1kW unit), and you can buy a plug on the end for whatever country you're in.

http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgpower/worl...tml#plug_types

MOST high wattage units have this power cord (SilverStone, SevenTeam, etc.) and any DECENT computer store should have a power cord for you. If you haven't found that cord, you're not going to the right stores. Go to a store that actually has decent high wattage PSU's in stock (SevenTeam is big in Japan and they use that power cord on everything 850W and up.)

In summary: You just need something with an IEC C19/C20 on one end and a NEMA 5-15 (same as US. Japan uses same socket as US but a lower 100V as opposed to 120V) on the other end.

Like this: http://www.diguniverse.com/SURGE-PRO...SY2015514.html

Will it solve your problems? Probably not. Your problems don't sound PSU related to me.
Hmm alright I guess its worth checking into that first, since I haven't yet been too an actual computer store in look for the cord, just the normal electrics stores they have here. Since I live in kind of countryside in here.

But the link you provided last is actually not a Japanese cord... Japanese cord doesnt have the big one only the two small ones like this http://joyroy.com/img/PRODUITS/CORDO...s%20Series.jpg

What would be your guess then what my problems are about? Clearly my video card has the CAPABILITY to work perfectly fine, since it works now sometimes and sometimes doesn't. Basically how it is, is that if I get the computer started and going to Vista without problems and the games work once, then it will work as long as I keep the computer on. Then after I shut it down its again all about luck whether it will be the same again next time...
Edited by diegamel - 12/13/08 at 10:57pm
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But the link you provided last is actually not a Japanese cord... Japanese cord doesnt have the big one only the two small ones like this http://joyroy.com/img/PRODUITS/CORDO...s%20Series.jpg
No.. they're the same thing. One has a ground pin and one does not. But the positive and neutral blades are the same and in the same position. If your socket doesn't have a ground pin (sounds like it doesn't), then the socket isn't grounded. I do not recommend using a non-grounded socket with a switch-mode power supply in any country (because your DC ground is chassis ground and this is Earth grounded through the AC outlet, etc.), but worst case scenario you just break the ground pin off the plug (I've had to do this when visiting old buildings in Asia. I carry a spare cord with a broken off ground pin and try not to touch the chassis with a sweaty leg.)

I can go on and on about how you can actually ground this outlet, but I have no idea how your place is built and don't want to be responsible for you burning it down.
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No.. they're the same thing. One has a ground pin and one does not. But the positive and neutral blades are the same and in the same position. If your socket doesn't have a ground pin (sounds like it doesn't), then the socket isn't grounded. I do not recommend using a non-grounded socket with a switch-mode power supply in any country (because your DC ground is chassis ground and this is Earth grounded through the AC outlet, etc.), but worst case scenario you just break the ground pin off the plug (I've had to do this when visiting old buildings in Asia. I carry a spare cord with a broken off ground pin and try not to touch the chassis with a sweaty leg.)

I can go on and on about how you can actually ground this outlet, but I have no idea how your place is built and don't want to be responsible for you burning it down.
But for the grounding thing to be able to be used the socket needs to have the hole for that, and they dont have it here. I think that would mean that theyre already grounded and the pin is not necessary. My benQ also had the grounding wire coming from it when i bought it here in Japan. I went to an electrics store to ask how I can use it when the sockets dont even have it, and they just told me that its not necessary to use it.

Updates to my situation... I bought an old nVIDIA card for really cheap to test my PC and it works fine and detects automatically etc... but yeah it uses a lot less electricity so the PSU not working properly possibility is of course still in the air. But I would be more on the side of a) the Radeon being broken or b) the nVIDIA 790i Ultra SLI not liking the Radeon... I am gonna try and test my Radeon in a friend's desktop sometime soon.
Edited by diegamel - 12/14/08 at 10:17am
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hello diegame, first, please go to your user cp and post your system specs, second the problem with property hardware goes back to when dell and hp and such use to build their own mb and psu's and hardware but nowadays everybody it's using more, lets call it, generic hardware, i don't think you'll have a problem with you new psu, good luck
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hello diegame, first, please go to your user cp and post your system specs, second the problem with property hardware goes back to when dell and hp and such use to build their own mb and psu's and hardware but nowadays everybody it's using more, lets call it, generic hardware, i don't think you'll have a problem with you new psu, good luck
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Done and thanks.


Question: All my other temperatures are ok in every program, but HWMonitor shows this thing called "systin" and its like 88'C 190F. Nothing feels hot inside my case though. All other temperature programs have no high numbers in any parts.

Can it be a bug or can it be related to my problems with Radeon?
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But for the grounding thing to be able to be used the socket needs to have the hole for that, and they dont have it here.
You're not listening. It's the same plug. Some plugs have grounds... some do not. Even in Japan. Yours aren't grounded. Other plugs are. The two blades are in the same position no matter what. The only thing that changes is the ground pin (the center pin). Even here in the US, especially with older houses, we have plugs without grounds. But that doesn't mean the positive and neutral blades aren't in the same position and that the plugs aren't interchangible.

You would simply remove the plug that is in your wall now and replace it with one that has a ground pin and you could use both grounded and non-grounded plugs. You do know that outlets are just screwed into the wall and aren't molded in, right? The rub is grounding that socket on the other side of the wall. If you have steel studs, you can ground it to that. If there's conduit over the wires, you can ground it to that. But don't tell me that grounded outlets do not exist in Japan or that the plug isn't the same as a US plug because you're wrong.

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I think that would mean that theyre already grounded and the pin is not necessary.
You do not have a grounded AC circuit with only two blades. If you only have two blades on your outlet, your outlet is NOT GROUNDED. For an outlet to be grounded, you need THREE contacts.

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My benQ also had the grounding wire coming from it when i bought it here in Japan. I went to an electrics store to ask how I can use it when the sockets dont even have it, and they just told me that its not necessary to use it.
It's not "necessary" but that doesn't mean "they don't have it in Japan". YOUR place doesn't have it. That doesn't make it "normal for Japan". Why else do you think they sold that BenQ in Japan with a ground wire? Not because ALL plugs have ground pins. Just most. And yours doesn't. Like I said, I've had to break the ground pin off sometimes, but it's PREFERRED and safer to have a ground on your outlet.
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You're not listening. It's the same plug. Some plugs have grounds... some do not. Even in Japan. Yours aren't grounded. Other plugs are. The two blades are in the same position no matter what. The only thing that changes is the ground pin (the center pin). Even here in the US, especially with older houses, we have plugs without grounds. But that doesn't mean the positive and neutral blades aren't in the same position and that the plugs aren't interchangible.

You would simply remove the plug that is in your wall now and replace it with one that has a ground pin and you could use both grounded and non-grounded plugs. You do know that outlets are just screwed into the wall and aren't molded in, right? The rub is grounding that socket on the other side of the wall. If you have steel studs, you can ground it to that. If there's conduit over the wires, you can ground it to that. But don't tell me that grounded outlets do not exist in Japan or that the plug isn't the same as a US plug because you're wrong.



You do not have a grounded AC circuit with only two blades. If you only have two blades on your outlet, your outlet is NOT GROUNDED. For an outlet to be grounded, you need THREE contacts.



It's not "necessary" but that doesn't mean "they don't have it in Japan". YOUR place doesn't have it. That doesn't make it "normal for Japan". Why else do you think they sold that BenQ in Japan with a ground wire? Not because ALL plugs have ground pins. Just most. And yours doesn't. Like I said, I've had to break the ground pin off sometimes, but it's PREFERRED and safer to have a ground on your outlet.
Alright I stand corrected thanks for the information.

The sockets in my apartment don't have any screws on it, just this whole plastic thing, so I guess it means that if I wanted to change it to one that has the grounding hole, I'd have to use some sharp object to crank it off the wall. The reason I asked the shop in the first place was because actually it said on the BenQ's wire "be sure to ground" which kinda scared me.
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Since Alienware is owned by Dell I would contact PC Power & Cooling (Who build replacement PSUs for Dells) and see if you have to do the same thing for Alienware. It could be a PC P & C in there right now...

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