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CrossFire doesn't matter to me, though folding does. And what's going to happen when I stick a RAID card in the other slot?
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post #12 of 41
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Originally Posted by Robilar View Post
Can you provide a link?

I have a pair of 4870's on one of my UD3P's and they actually bench identically to both my rampage formula and P5E Deluxe (both X48).


and yes, the difference is PCI-E bandwith between a P45 and X48 board but the only place it matters is with dual 4870X2's.

Considering we have thousands of members here and only 5 that have dual 4870X2's, I doubt it matters....
I can find the link yes, it was a review where they had identical setups with the only difference being the bandwidth. It was only in a few games where it was significant and then there was another review where there was only a 3fps difference.

EDIT> here is the link, it was in crysis and there was a 7 fps difference, that can be a lot when you are considering 23fps or 30fps.

These were 4850's in this review so 4870's would be worse

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=761&p=2
Edited by huntman21014 - 12/13/08 at 12:30pm
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I'd appreciate you posting it then.

I've benched:

call of duty 4, crysis, GRID, Call of duty world at war, gears of war, assasins creed and bioshock. This while using identical ram, cpu, graphics cards, OS and overclocks.

I did these tests to ensure that there would be no reduction in performance going to P45.


consider also, that I have the following motherboards on hand...

Rampage formula, rampage extreme, P5E, P5E Deluxe, P5Q Deluxe, and the Gigaybte UD3P.


Edited by Robilar - 12/13/08 at 12:29pm
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post #14 of 41
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the ICH10R is the northbridge and it will affect your overclock more than anything, the ICH10R just overclocks higher than the ICH9R

In 8x8x mode a 4870 crossfire setup loses 8fps, I call that significant
While it is true the UD3P gets a higher OC then any X38/X48 board, the advantage of x16 to both PCI-E is the only advantage to the Rampage Formula. The UD3P is a better board IMO.

But just know that the ICH is the southbridge. The R denotes the RAID function, which is built into the southbridge. The southbridege controls additional peripherals like the LAN, USB, SATA, RAID etc...

I/O Controller Hub (ICH)


Edited by ericeod - 12/13/08 at 12:36pm
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post #15 of 41
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With 11 posts try not to already make enemies, the rampage is a better choice because it is full CFX if he wants to go dual 4870x2's, The Asus won't overclock as high but it should still reach 500FSB, x38/48 chipsets cannot overclock as high as P45 chipsets and that is partly to do with the ICH9R vs ICH10R
my bad, just cranky in the morning, I just didn't like his answer
with the ep45-ud3p, people on XS have been hitting 600+ fsb with the e8x00 chips and 500+ fsb with a lot of the quads, but it doesn't always mean you can get that high
and you can't overlook that the rampage formula is about $150 USD above the UD3P, and yet, the UD3P has been hitting 600+ fsb using immature BIOS's and its a new board
but that's just my .02
post #16 of 41
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I'd appreciate you posting it then.

I've benched:

call of duty 4, crysis, GRID, Call of duty world at war, gears of war, assasins creed and bioshock. This while using identical ram, cpu, graphics cards, OS and overclocks.

I did these tests to ensure that there would be no reduction in performance going to P45.


consider also, that I have the following motherboards on hand...

Rampage formula, rampage extreme, P5E, P5E Deluxe, P5Q Deluxe, and the Gigaybte UD3P.
The major difference in FPS was Crysis, all the other games they benched were within 2 or 3 fps which can still be significant when going for stability, I would think a 3 fps increase in minimum framerates is def. worth the extra money for full 16x/16x.

EDIT> those 4870's aren't on bare carpet are they?!
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While it is true the UD3P gets a higher OC then any X38/X48 board, the advantage of x16 to both PCI-E is the only advantage to the Rampage Formula.

But just know that the ICH is the southbridge. The R denotes the RAID function, which is built into the southbridge. The southbridege controls additional peripherals like the LAN, USB, SATA, RAID etc...

I/O Controller Hub (ICH)
Thanks for that, I always got the NB and SB mixed up, thanks for clearing it up
Edited by huntman21014 - 12/13/08 at 12:40pm
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all the other games they benched were within 2 or 3 fps which can still be significant when going for stability
FPS = stability? Is that something new I should know of as well?
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Ok, but consider this. The TS has a 4870X2 which will get full 16x being single card (no reduction in peformance on a P45).

If as you assert there is an 8 FPS loss (which I did not see in Crysis) going crossfire, how will this affect the buyer?

If he decides to shell out another $600 for two 4870X2's do you really think that he is going to see an 8 FPS drop when compared to a pair of 4870's?

A pair of 4870X2's in crossfire can handle even crysis at high res not to mention the UD3P as mentioned above is more than $150 cheaper...

I have 3 X48 boards sitting here and yet I am using the UD3P. Why do you think that is?
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post #19 of 41
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I would think a 3 fps increase in minimum framerates is def. worth the extra money for full 16x/16x.
dude, that's about $150+ USD just for another x16 lane!
i'm not putting the rampage down though, it is indeed a great board, but for price/performance ratio, i would rather take the ep45-ud3p
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FPS = stability? Is that something new I should know of as well?
I was referring to framerate stability as in less jerking
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Ok, but consider this. The TS has a 4870X2 which will get full 16x being single card (no reduction in peformance on a P45).

If as you assert there is an 8 FPS loss (which I did not see in Crysis) going crossfire, how will this affect the buyer?

If he decides to shell out another $600 for two 4870X2's do you really think that he is going to see an 8 FPS drop when compared to a pair of 4870's?

A pair of 4870X2's in crossfire can handle even crysis at high res not to mention the UD3P as mentioned above is more than $150 cheaper...

I have 3 X48 boards sitting here and yet I am using the UD3P. Why do you think that is?
I was only going by the tests they did as I have no hands on experience with the cards, a single 4870X2 is fine on the board because the board reverts to 16x with one card but if he went dual 4870X2's on the P45 I bet the framerates would be lower than 2 4870X2's on an X48 chipset. It wouldn't be that he would see a drop in framerates but if he went from P45 to X48 he could see a FPS increase.

Robilar, from what I have read on the UD3P the first slot always runs in 16x and the second slot goes to 8x so that may be why you didn't see a difference in FPS with your tests, with one card in 16x mode and one in 8x the bottleneck isn't as severe as 8x8x

No doubt the P45 overclocks better and with a single card it doesn't matter 8x or 16x but the X48 boards were made for people positive on Crossfire and if the OP is shelling out the money for the best why not go with the best Crossfire setup even if it is just a few FPS.

EDIT> and illipinoG, when you are talking about $1200 just in videocards $150 for the best performance is worth it, those 3 FPS may be the difference in beating a record for a certain game.

If you spent $5000 to break a 3DMark06 benchmark and lost by a few points due to 8x8x vs 16x16x you would be pissed

Also not all x38 and x48 boards are so expensive, the DFI X38 is $12 more than the Gigabyte P45 board and the X48 DFI board is only $60 more, $12 dollars for 3 more minimum fps is worth it to me 100%
Edited by huntman21014 - 12/13/08 at 12:54pm
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