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post #1 of 11
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Hey everyone, i'm new to the forums ^.^

This Holiday season I plan to upgrade my computer...it's been awhile

(Pentium 4 @ 2.8 Ghz, Xfx 6600, 1g ddr ram (4x256))...haha yea, i

mostly get left-over parts, but not this time

I'm trying to simultaneously be cheap but build a rig that'll allow me

to play every game at very high settings and last a good while before

either swapping out some components or replacing it entirely several

years down the road.

After looking around the forums a bit and trying to understand

everything (i'm not really much of a techie), i've been thinking of the

following:

(price approximations based on Newegg)

Antec 1200 Case ~ 160$

Corsair 750W PSU ~ 120$

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P ~ 137$

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 ~190$

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) CL:4 ~ 50$

EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 ~ 220$

Total: ~ 850$


idk if i will overclock or SLI/CF, but i would like to leave those

options open, that being said, i've come up with a couple questions

about my build:


1)in regard to quad core processors, the Q6600 is 65nm while others are

45nm, and from what i've read the 45nm are better since they run

cooler...so should i shell out an extra 50$ or so to get a 45nm quad

core? even though the cache is a bit smaller? (for example, going from

a Q6600 to a 9300 is going from 2x4mb cache and 65nm to just 6mb cache

and 45nm)

2)ATI V.S. Nvidia, i've also been looking at a Sapphire 4870 1GB video

card, seeing as it has slightly more memory, gddr5, way more processing

cores, etc. I've always wondered why the two are so close when, by

looking at the specs, ATI seems to be better. so far i've always been

an Nvidia person, and ill probably stick with it for convenience sake

b/c of the motherboard. However, if i were to be convinced that the

4870 1gb is better than the gtx260, which motherboard would be good if

i wanted to CF in the future?
(sorry, that's more than 1 question i guess...)

3)For the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P Motherboard, i know there's another

version that is for DDR3 RAM, what i'm wondering is if that motherboard will

also run DDR2 RAM, my plan is to get cheap DDR2 now, but have the option

of getting DDR3 RAM later without having to get a new board.



i have a bad tendency to type too much, so for people who don't like to read

too much (i know how you feel), this is the "short" version:


Antec 1200 Case ~ 160$
Corsair 750W PSU ~ 120$
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P ~ 137$
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 ~190$
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) CL:4 ~ 50$
EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 ~ 220$
Total: ~ 850$

Yay? Nay? suggestions?

45nm Vs. 65nm quad cores?
Can motherboards with DDR3 RAM also run DDR2 RAM?
Good Fans/heat sinks for a quad core?
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post #2 of 11
Overall, not a bad build. Either go for an E8400, or a Q6600, don't go for the 45nm quads unless you go for the Q9550.

That PSU is very good, can't recommend it enough, but I found a new one that I like. Modular cables, one thing I didn't like about the Corsair, was that there was so many wires!!!

Very good Motherboard, perfect for overclocking, keep that one

Very nice Ram, keep that

Video card - Go for the 4870. Do NOT get a GTX260 if your getting an Intel board. If you were getting an Nvidia board, then it would be fine. Just get the 4870 + Gigabyte board you picked

Motherboards with DDR3 slots CANNOT run DDR2 Ram. A few motherboards can run both, but don't bother with those.

Look for a TRUE heatsink, or a Xigmatek S1283. Both will do fine.

Excellent case as well.
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post #3 of 11
I would get the 4870 1gb since the motherboard you have chosen supports crossfire should you choose to later on. As Kaivorth said, either the E8400 or Q6600. Although the newer q6600 dont overclock as well as the older ones but they will still oc alright. The E8400 does oc very well, but seing as you may or may not oc, I am slightly leaning towards the Q6600 for you.

As far as cpu cooling goes I have hear good things about both of these,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=THERMALRIGHT
Edited by ShazBo - 12/13/08 at 7:15pm
    
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post #4 of 11
good build overall.
if this is strictly for gaming, id pick up an e8400 since you can overclock that higher than a q6600. ( i fell for the quad core hype. its not bad but i could've been better off with a dual since the only times my other two cores are used is stress-testing lol)

Games take advantage of higher clocks rather than more cores.

That MOBO is a sick mofo. don't get the pi black 800 considering the 900 is the same price.
if you want to get some good overclocking done, buy the GeIL EVO one set with 4 CAS latency. Those i have heard are the best overclocking RAM on the market, Except for Team Group but good luck trying to find some.

Everything else = awesome sauce.
    
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post #5 of 11
Looks good man. I'd say if you go with the E8400 go for the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003

For the most part will match a TRUE
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post #6 of 11
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Sweet, thanks for all the advice, i didn't even notice they had better G. Skill ram for the same price, and i didn't even really think about the modular cables...

i'd figure that it would be best for me to get a quad core since, later down the road, more games will probably utilize it.
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post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
oh also, since i've mostly dealt with Nvidia, i've been familiar with XFX and EVGA...since im going ATI i'm wondering what manufacturers would be best for the 4870 1gb?
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post #8 of 11
For 4870 I've seen this one suggested a lot; however it is currently out of stock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102801

Otherwise this one seems to have decent reviews as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161247
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post #9 of 11
Yes, yes, everyone will recommend a dual-core for gaming because they'll OC higher. But consider this, as more and more apps are written to support quad-/multi-core processors, the performance of all these quad cores will actually seem to increase or least hold at a steady level, while the duallies will start seeming slower and more obsolete. I skipped dual-core and jumped straight from a single-core onto the quad-core bandwagon 2 years ago and I've never looked back. Everyone knows modern games are way more GPU-bound than CPU-bound... at decent resolutions anyway.

As for DDR2 vs DDR3, DDR3 is still only really faster in benchmarks. Real-world gaming performance will barely increase with the upgrade from DDR2 to DDR3.

Stick with the Q6600 or E8400, skip the Q9300 as its essentially a crippled Q9450 and I dont know about you, but I'd never buy a crippled anything!

Also if you're really planning to push your CPU (which you should considering the board you're looking at) you should probably look at RAM that runs at at least 1000Mhz. This will allow for up to 500FSB before you need to start OCing your RAM to push your chip further.

And yea, as others have said, for cooling look at the TRUE, X-tek S1283 or OCZ Vendetta 2. All great coolers.
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post #10 of 11
As far as Manufacturers go, Visiontek is really good, they have lifetime warrenty on thier cards, but I couldnt find a 4870 1gb version on newegg from them. Sapphire is also verry good, but out of stock. HIS is your next best choice.
    
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