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Did Vista "damage" the PC gaming platform?? No, the hardware you choose shall determine that. Excuse me while I try and play Crysis on my old 8600 GT on Vista, and then blame "Vista" for the lousy performance.
so ignorance is hurting vista/PC gaming? I can get behind that.
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so ignorance is hurting vista/PC gaming? I can get behind that.
yea its true, its all about what the public thinks of a product before they purchase it, if everyone is going around saying it sucks or its bad w/e
then people are going to think that, doesn't matter how good the product for sale is, if the public's opinion of it is bad it wont sell
Apple with there annoying half truth ads are to blame for Vistas reputation
also the tech wise community are half to blame as well for all the jokes we made about windows, (blue screen error message) calling it the blue screen of death joking about how bad windows is etc

when in reality its a very stable operating system IF setup properly
thats why Apple's Mac OS X is so stable it only keeps it to a limited range of hardware under their control and they have all the drivers for their hardware into their operating system, when windows has millions of different hardware setups it could run on so Microsoft can't do that and they rely on the user to setup and use their operating system properly, and hardware manufacturers to make proper drivers for their product
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Yup, Vista didn't really hurt the market, a lack of knowledge amongst consumers did.
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First of all, PC gaming is doing fine. Consoles have their place, and PC's do too.

Second, it wasn't just Vista, it was the fudging of the numbers when Vista shipped. Vista capable, Vista ready, all that mess. People thought they were going to get the full experience because a sticker told them so, when that was far from the truth.

Third, Vista got a bad rap. This is partly due to insufficient testing, and partly due to the extremely loud outcry right around Vista's release. Yes, it is true that many games run better in XP, but when you're comparing 100FPS to 120 FPS, the argument is pointless. The non-geeks only heard "OMG Vista sucks compared to XP" and they ran with it, many without even looking into the issue or trying it for themselves.

Fourth, MS tried to change too many things at once. I understand why they did it (they want to streamline the OS so they are phasing out some of the legacy support), but the whole issue was handled poorly. MS should have taken the time early on to go into detail about the changes and what they mean to the average user. Instead, many people were surprised when they couldn't do what they did before, or they could do it only by jumping through hoops and putting up with reduced functionality.
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so ignorance is hurting vista/PC gaming? I can get behind that.
Correct. Vista doesn't run itself, your hardware does. Therefore, they're complaining about their hardware's performance on Vista, in reality.
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Q: Did Vista kill PC Gaming?
A: No.




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There are currently many problems with this platform not just vista...NVIDIA and ATi are just sitting on the fence without doing jackall! imho. They don't contribute anything to the industry. Don't make durable graphics cards.

If they want to hit the mainstream market. Make a card(i.e. Mainstream) which actually can play more than one new game maxed out without having to worry about hardware compatibility and make it more affordable.

I know, technology progress is crucial and its the driving force for moving forward, but the PC platform focuses on the niche market(enthuasiasts) not mainstream players.

If there is no market for it...then no one is going to buy it tbh and that's why the console market always gets more attention than the PC. The average joe is able to purchase games without having to worry about hardware.
Nvidia and ATI make more than the GTX and HD48 series, and actually make most of their money from midrange cards. I'm unsure what you are saying exactly.
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There are currently many problems with this platform not just vista...NVIDIA and ATi are just sitting on the fence without doing jackall! imho. They don't contribute anything to the industry. Don't make durable graphics cards.

If they want to hit the mainstream market. Make a card(i.e. Mainstream) which actually can play more than one new game maxed out without having to worry about hardware compatibility and make it more affordable.

I know, technology progress is crucial and its the driving force for moving forward, but the PC platform focuses on the niche market(enthuasiasts) not mainstream players.

If there is no market for it...then no one is going to buy it tbh and that's why the console market always gets more attention than the PC. The average joe is able to purchase games without having to worry about hardware.
Totally false. ATI and Nvidia both have 50$ cards that can at least run modern games on low. Below 50$ you have Nvidia and ATI integrated graphics. Both Nvidia and AMD have really great integrated chipsets. The 9400m and 790g chipsets can actually run games at decent settings. I say the 780g running Far Cry at 45 fps at quake con last year.

The problem lies with intel. Intel Integrated graphics are beyond horrible. I can see them being used in a $550 laptop, but anything over $700 should have a capable integrated video card like a 9400m in it.

Microsoft realizes this, and they have developed a solution. Microsoft actually has absolutely no faith in Intel to deliver on the graphics front after the fiasco Intel put them through with vista and the "vista capable" thing.

DX11, which comes with windows 7, has a CPU renderer build right in. That means that processors (quads show the real benefit, but should be going mainstream shortly after 7 hits) can be used to render DX11 graphics, bypassing and outperforming the intel GMA chipsets.

I really do hope Intel does something with their Larabee tech though. The ideal solution to me is to have a CPU with 2/4 big cores, and maybe 16/32 of those Larrabee cores for GPU crunching (or CPU parallel threads if not being used for graphics) on the same die, a cell processor type design.
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Third, Vista got a bad rap. This is partly due to insufficient testing, and partly due to the extremely loud outcry right around Vista's release. Yes, it is true that many games run better in XP, but when you're comparing 100FPS to 120 FPS, the argument is pointless.
Yes ur right but the thing is having 60fps on xp and then 40 on vista is somewhat of a difference. Lets take a high end machine running GTA 4 which is the newest big game out... Even those struggle to get playable fps. So having 55 fps on GTA on xp and then playing it on vista u get what ? 30? . That performance loss is just stupid for me. Even windows 7 pre beta plays better than vista...

I wont say that Vista killed it but it sure had some bad impact on gaming.
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People take the first impression of Vista as their only impression of it and don't give it a chance.
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