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While I think any OS that requires half a gig of ram to even run itself is phenomenally bloated, I don't see how Vista has done much of anything for PC gaming, one way or the other.

It's a combination of buyer ignorance, poor graphics hardware, and unoptimized or poorly scaling games.
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Do you have any recent (post SP1) benchmarks that shows Vista with lower benchmarks? Most of what I've seen is that Vista runs games better than XP.
I've always found performance in Vista to be much smoother than XP.
There are even some games that are impossible to run properly in XP due to max memory issues, which includes pretty much any game that uses more than 1.5GB while running(like the HL2 cinematic mod).

Personally I love being able to use 4+ GB of ram effectively. If my OS uses the extra ram to speed up performance and load times of applications, then I am fine with that.

I started with dual boot with Vista and XP, now I've got multiple Vista installs and I have no crashes that aren't my fault. I always attempt to convince people that Vista is fine if you have the proper hardware.
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I can play Crysis at 30fps on Medium settings on a two-year old Dell laptop running Vista.

Anybody who ended up with a computer too crappy to run games on Vista wasn't the person who should've never expected it in the first place.

Examples:
1.) Old granny wants to play solitaire on Vista, not a problem, even the worst Vista laptop ever runs solitaire.
2.) 14 year old wants to play Crysis on his Celeron laptop with 512mb of RAM and an Intel integrate graphics chip. This wouldn't have run on XP either, and this kid obviously isn't a PC gamer if he thinks he can just run Crysis on anything.
3.) 18 year old wants to play Crysis on his C2D laptop with 2gb of RAM and a 9800m geforce card. He knew what he needed, and it works just as well on Vista as XP.

My argument here is that Vista didn't ruin anything for any "PC Gamers", unless they happened to be a gamer with a machine that was good 4 years ago, in which case they shouldn't have bought Vista.
Edited by lordikon - 12/15/08 at 1:57pm
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Personally I think it had more to do with the fact Vista should have been a new OS. Meaning that anything older than DX10 gpu and MB without Core 2 Duo support should have been dropped. This would have stopped people from upgrading their 5 years old PC running XP to Vista, which in turn, would have stopped the rumors that Vista sucks. Look at the real tech on board sound driver issue which caused the majority of problems.

Hopefully M$ has learned its lesson and will introduce an OS that expels outdated technology and prove its worth again. Furthermore, 32 bit should be left behind completely.
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None of that damaged the pc as a gaming platform...

The reason the pc gaming platform got damaged was because the economy has gone to ****

Its much cheaper to go out and buy a 360 or PS3 for much less that any decent PC that will give you the same graphics and fps.
A decent PC that can output the same content as a PC/360 will set you back £500 + a monitor and all the other peripherals.
A 360/PS3 will cost you £300 and you just have to plug it into your TV.

If I wasn't a keen PC user/gamer then I would have bought either a PS3 or 360 to play my games on instead.
Also, if you mentioned the companies Nvidia or Ati to some console gamers they would have no idea what you were on about. Most console gamers dont get most of that, and if they do, they're not willing to shell out £400 on a graphics card that wont give the user anything different to what a console user see's. A regular user will think you have to get something almost real life for £400.
They won't and probably cant tell any different between games on the PC and console.

Take Crysis as an example, sure it looks much better than anything a console can throw out, but not even a £400 graphics card can play it smoothly at maximum settings on a 1080p monitor. Its over a year since its launch and it still cant run smoothly. If you run it on a PC that cost £400 you wont even get decent graphics or fps

Take GTA for example. How much faffing around with drivers, overclocking, tweaking, downloading background programs etc did it take to get that game running. Most people haven't got the time to be faffing around with this. They just want to put it in their console and play it.

If you could use mouse and keyboard on a console, then I would get one. Costs less and graphics aren't all that different
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There are currently many problems with this platform not just vista...NVIDIA and ATi are just sitting on the fence without doing jackall! imho. They don't contribute anything to the industry. Don't make durable graphics cards.

If they want to hit the mainstream market. Make a card(i.e. Mainstream) which actually can play more than one new game maxed out without having to worry about hardware compatibility and make it more affordable.

I know, technology progress is crucial and its the driving force for moving forward, but the PC platform focuses on the niche market(enthuasiasts) not mainstream players.

If there is no market for it...then no one is going to buy it tbh and that's why the console market always gets more attention than the PC. The average joe is able to purchase games without having to worry about hardware.
It's been like this since the dawn of PC gaming.....their are simply two types of gamers: PC and console.
PC gaming is unbelievably simple compared to PC gaming in the early 90s. Hardware and software compatibility has come a very long way since the days of Descent.
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The problem with vista and games early on was due to bad drivers on nvidia and ati's part. Since that problem has been removed, games should pretty much run the same on either OS. Extremetech did an article way back comparing xp sp3 vs vista sp1 in gaming. Pretty much no differences between the 2 os's as far as game performance goes. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2303830,00.asp
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Windows Vista is a great OS in my opinion, IF your hardware can handle it.
I've seen a lot of people complaining how their 1GB of RAM can't handle vista even if its been overclocked.
SOME people are a little too ignorant to notice that their hardware is outdated beyond belief, but hey, that's just me
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Vista damaged the PC Gaming Platform? Nah.

I think it's the lack of optimization of software. Games should run a lot better then they are right now. They're just poorly optimized
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I agree that it is the hardware of the machine, not the OS.

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Originally Posted by William151515 View Post
yea that happens
people will try vista on 5-10 year old hardware
or low end mainstream hardware, and complain that it does not run as good as XP did, really stupid

its not the operating system, its the hardware
I agree with that. I ran the last Vista beta on an Athlon XP 2400, 1.5gb ram, Asus nForce 1 mobo, and a Radeon A9250. It didnt run nearly as fast as it did with XP mainly because the hardware was starting to push 6 years old at the time.
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