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Originally Posted by thecheeseofmanynames View Post
Including mobo and ram that they need? If so point me where I can get mobo, cpu, and 3x1gb of ddr3 for $295.
No, not including that, because that's not the cost of the i7. That's the cost of a system. You instantly twisted your argument from the cost of the chip to the cost of a system based on that chip.


There's no doubt a simple CPU upgrade is cheaper, but some people hold onto their machines until the point where that isn't viable. I came from a dead-end socket (939) with DDR and AGP8x. There's absolutely no reasonable upgrade option from that. It was all given up on a year after release. Intel held onto their socket for 5 years before completely changing how their CPU interfaces with the board, what more do you want?
Edited by Arkanor - 12/16/08 at 4:44pm
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No, not including that, because that's not the cost of the i7. That's the cost of a system. You instantly twisted your argument from the cost of the chip to the cost of a system based on that chip.


There's no doubt a simple CPU upgrade is cheaper, but some people hold onto their machines until the point where that isn't viable. I came from a dead-end socket (939) with DDR and AGP8x. There's absolutely no reasonable upgrade option from that. It was all given up on a year after release.
Its new tech, you NEED the new motherboard to go with it, if someone just buys an I7 they can't do anything with it unless you get a x58 with some ram. You don't need a new system 100% of the time for phenom II.
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post #33 of 49
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1) Its $295 for the Processor Only, ~$250-300 for a motherboard, and ~$100 for RAM(3x1gb). My point is while the cpu may be priced are the same as phenom II, you can't use your current mobo under any conditions with i7, but many AMD motherboards will work with phenom II.
2) I didn't say anything about the TLB bug, I read the article where it said the bug was false
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Originally Posted by techie2 View Post
any intel fanboys don't get mad at amd just cause intel designed their chip and not steal amd's design lol

o ya enjoy that expensive i7 you have.... with that tlb bug lol... o ya and intel is changing sockets again lol! go ahead justify it!
Other person I meant

But...a high-end mobo would run you the same amount with some good RAM for the Phenom II.

Of course upgrading only a CPU is cheaper but I don't find a 250$ upgrade worth it on a PC with an old mobo. I'm not saying this isn't good value for the Phenom II, just that why bring in a new CPU if you'll be using old(er) tech all around it. If you aren't happy with the first Phenoms it's still a very expensive upgrade. The Phenom II is what the first Phenom should have been.

The X58s that are out aren't just the same old thing but with Core i7 support, they have a lot of cool extras as well as triple-channel DDR3. The Phenom IIs will likely have more competition from Penryns (E8400-Q9550) once it comes out because in the higher-end market that comprises most OCNers, AMD has nothing to offer to compete against the i7.
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Ok thanks for clarifyng the "LN2" thing, now I know they do it so people can know how far they can push it with water.
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post #35 of 49
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The X58s that are out aren't just the same old thing but with Core i7 support, they have a lot of cool extras as well as triple-channel DDR3. The Phenom IIs will likely have more competition from Penryns (E8400-Q9550) once it comes out because in the higher-end market that comprises most OCNers, AMD has nothing to offer to compete against the i7.

Yeah it's way different, and the new socket is justified. You (cheese) also can't assume that everyone looking to buy another computer has an AM2/AM3 board, so not everyone will have that option is all I was saying.

1366 addresses a lot of the weaknesses that LGA775 had (especially with poor memory performance compared to 939/940) and actually makes working with it more like overclocking AMD than anything Intel had before.
Edited by Arkanor - 12/16/08 at 5:04pm
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Good for AMD.

But, I think I'd like to see some more overclocking articles using air, what most of us will be using.
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Good for AMD.

But, I think I'd like to see some more overclocking articles using air, what most of us will be using.
Everything i have seen says 4.3GHZ-ish is the air limit. At least for the typical air cooler.
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there was an earlier post i read saying it did 3.9 on air.
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post #39 of 49
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there was an earlier post i read saying it did 3.9 on air.
Pretty long step from the original Phenom, 45nm seems to have worked out well for 'em.


-edit: all the Wolfdales are duals, not quads. There's been some Q6600's and Q9450's around that 4.0 range AFAIK but I don't know if they're that common. Not to mention they're a completely different architecture than Phenom and i7, the single-die with IMC is a lot more complex.
Edited by Arkanor - 12/16/08 at 6:01pm
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very nice result. I could upgrade to this when AM3 come out.
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