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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...rfill-problems


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What does this mean? Unlike what Nvidia has been implying, we have never stated that the 'bad bumps' in the Macbook Pro 15-inch would cause a failure. We simply stated that it is using the same material that caused failures in the older Macbooks, several HP and Dell lines, and likely many more that Nvidia has not admitted to publicly. The consumer has a right know this about the products they are buying, and Nvidia steadfastly refuses to tell them.

This time, we see a potentially much more serious problem, and no doubt it will be explained away with pseudo-science and sound bites. Tame journalists and bloggers won't bother to question the science, won't understand it, and will take the easy, canned explanation at face value. No problem will ever be admitted to, and the problems that Macbook and other computer owners encounter will be something else, a rare anomaly, a one-off, trust them. Really. Apple did.

Once again, this is not saying that the Macbooks will fail, or that the one you have will fail. We are simply stating that, according to all the packaging experts we talked with, none of them could come up with a scenario where this is not a massive problem. Once again, time will tell.

Rebuttal
In the best of half-hearted PR speak, the Nvidia rebuttal (see Cnet link above) claims my initial investigation of the 'bad bumps' was "already flawed." Nvidia won't say how my analysis was flawed, but it tosses that out in an attempt to tarnish the evidence. It also won't say what parts are affected, so there is no way to tell for sure. If I am so wrong, why cover it up?

As for all high lead bumps being bad, that is simply not true, not once did I say that. I stated that given a chain of engineering failures, bad choices, and inadequate testing, these parts are failing. There is a long chain of events that causes the failures. Read the three part technical explanation linked above for more.




THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO BE COMMENTING ON THE INQ OR CHARLIE. DISCUSS ONLY THE ARTICLE.

Edited by DuckieHo - 12/17/08 at 6:37am
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I'll give it to Charlie- He really hates Nvidia and will work his ass of trying to drag them through the mud. He seems to be thorough and willing to spend time & money for accuracy on his reports. He is also very careful not to slander to avoid lawsuit.

Charlie, I hate you as much as you hate nvidia but +1 for you and your hard work.
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I'll give it to Charlie- He really hates Nvidia and will work his ass of trying to drag them through the mud. He seems to be thorough and willing to spend time & money for accuracy on his reports. He is also very careful not to slander to avoid lawsuit.

Charlie, I hate you as much as you hate nvidia but +1 for you and your hard work.
If Charlie is even a little bit right, NVIDIA will not attempt a slander lawsuit. If they do, lawyers will be allowed to access most of NVIDIA's internal testing documents. This will then lay out everything to the public.
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If Charlie is even a little bit right, NVIDIA will not attempt a slander lawsuit. If they do, lawyers will be allowed to access most of NVIDIA's internal testing documents. This will then lay out everything to the public.
Yeah but honestly when their tactics are in question like this I imagine it will get dug up anyway just give it some time. I think the skepticism is necessary on Charlies part.

It will probably take a leak of information or a lawsuit to get this out in the open completely and know the full truth not a bias opinion.
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I did read it. Good read surprisingly for INQ.

Edit: that was in reply to a now removed comment
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If Charlie is even a little bit right, NVIDIA will not attempt a slander lawsuit. If they do, lawyers will be allowed to access most of NVIDIA's internal testing documents. This will then lay out everything to the public.
For his sake, I hope he is right. If he is right, then maybe, just maybe nvidia will stop skimping on tech.
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I've been saying all along that if there was nothing to this then why is nvidia doing everything they can to hide the issue? They still do not admit there is a problem despite the fact that they had to take a financial hit because of it. That's shady right there, and if they refuse to admit there is a problem doesn't that mean they are lying to their investors? Isn't that illegal? I like their videocards well enough but I like nvidia less and less, their combative attitude to the industry, their renaming of cards (I.E. lying to their customers), the denials in this failure incident, they've lost my respect.
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As a company you generally don't want to admit your mistakes. Sad truth is, the average consumer for notebooks usually either do not know who Nvidia is or that their GPU dying is an issue with their GPU. They will go through the typical RMA process, complain about it, assume the computer was back, then move on. By admitting it, now all of a sudden these average consumers understand something is wrong and will no longer buy from NV since now on the other side of the fence and too stupid to climb over.
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As a company you generally don't want to admit your mistakes. Sad truth is, the average consumer for notebooks usually either do not know who Nvidia is or that their GPU dying is an issue with their GPU. They will go through the typical RMA process, complain about it, assume the computer was back, then move on. By admitting it, now all of a sudden these average consumers understand something is wrong and will no longer buy from NV since now on the other side of the fence and too stupid to climb over.
Ya, the average consumer will just blame Dell, HP, etc for the failure. They are better off not admitting to the problem.
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I sure as hell know about it, I've got a $1800 HP laptop as a paperweight. HP says talk to NV, NV says talk to HP. Thanks for having the gall to stand behind what you sell.
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