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amd recommended that you keep the HT at 1000MHz when overclocking, so maybe an overclock higher than 3.8GHz is achievable?

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Feb 4th as a street date is outrageous for CPU's that do not offer better performance for price than Core i7.

That's the last straw AMD. I may have to go intel Q9xxx on x58 mobo.



sorry 775 =/=1366
and considering that this delivers close to i7 performance (in gaming. sometimes even beating it) and the cost of the motherboard/RAM is less, i would think AMD has a real winner here.
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Q9xxx is not Core i7. I was never comparing Phenom 2 to Core i7. I was comparing it to Q9xxx. Yorkfield. Not Nehalem.


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I'm sorry but your post makes no sense at all. Could you explain your resoning here?
Certainly.

Deneb has been looked forward to by AMD fans (me) since the failure of Phenom about a year ago.

Since Deneb is not the same value proposition as the tremendous dollar for dollar success of the old days of socket 939 v. intel pentium D's - when everyone was clearly better off with AMD for less $ and a far superior CPU, it is not worth waiting a month for.

I do not understand why anyone would "Wait" for deneb Pehnom 2 at this point when it is inferior to core i7, and only competes (sometimes better, sometimes not) with Q9xxx on mor or less even ground.

If this CPU were the "end-all, be-all" of CPU's as the old AMD claw-hammer and the first Athlon 64, and the Athlon 64 X2 aganst the old style Netburst Chips, yes I would see it reasonable to hold off on a needed build for 1-4 months. However this is just another run of the mill CPU.

And from what I am seeing thus far, intel Price / performance (not clockspeed, but actual performance) is so close... I see no reason for anyone to wait.

Too much anticipation over something so small. Now If I needed a computer in 3 months and didn't need one now... I'd definitely buy AMD. I love AMD, and I hate monopolies.
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RallyMaster

SlowEnd

Q9xxx is not Core i7. I was never comparing Phenom 2 to Core i7. I was comparing it to Q9xxx. Yorkfield. Not Nehalem.




Certainly.

Deneb has been looked forward to by AMD fans (me) since the failure of Phenom about a year ago.

Since Deneb is not the same value proposition as the tremendous dollar for dollar success of the old days of socket 939 v. intel pentium D's - when everyone was clearly better off with AMD for less $ and a far superior CPU, it is not worth waiting a month for.

I do not understand why anyone would "Wait" for deneb Pehnom 2 at this point when it is inferior to core i7, and only competes (sometimes better, sometimes not) with Q9xxx on mor or less even ground.

If this CPU were the "end-all, be-all" of CPU's as the old AMD claw-hammer and the first Athlon 64, and the Athlon 64 X2 aganst the old style Netburst Chips, yes I would see it reasonable to hold off on a needed build for 1-4 months. However this is just another run of the mill CPU.

And from what I am seeing thus far, intel Price / performance (not clockspeed, but actual performance) is so close... I see no reason for anyone to wait.

Too much anticipation over something so small. Now If I needed a computer in 3 months and didn't need one now... I'd definitely buy AMD. I love AMD, and I hate monopolies.
motherboards my friend. they are expensive. so is 3x2gb of DDR3. and i wouldn't really call phenom 1 a failure either. towards the end (9950) they actually got a good 3.3GHz (slightly slower than a Q6600) and usually ran cooler. again, if this performs even CLOSE to i7, it's a great buy. why? because:
it costs ~20-30 less
the motherboard costs ~250 less
the RAM costs~ 150 less.
it performs very well in most games, in which case the i7 beats it by a dismissible margin (even losing to it in crysis and lost planet)
i really don't see why you think this is a failure though. it's really great bang for buck.
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RallyMaster

SlowEnd

Q9xxx is not Core i7. I was never comparing Phenom 2 to Core i7. I was comparing it to Q9xxx. Yorkfield. Not Nehalem.




Certainly.

Deneb has been looked forward to by AMD fans (me) since the failure of Phenom about a year ago.

Since Deneb is not the same value proposition as the tremendous dollar for dollar success of the old days of socket 939 v. intel pentium D's - when everyone was clearly better off with AMD for less $ and a far superior CPU, it is not worth waiting a month for.

I do not understand why anyone would "Wait" for deneb Pehnom 2 at this point when it is inferior to core i7, and only competes (sometimes better, sometimes not) with Q9xxx on mor or less even ground.

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And from what I am seeing thus far, intel Price / performance (not clockspeed, but actual performance) is so close... I see no reason for anyone to wait.

Too much anticipation over something so small. Now If I needed a computer in 3 months and didn't need one now... I'd definitely buy AMD. I love AMD, and I hate monopolies.
Let's say that Deneb/Phenom 2 is equivalent to the Yorkfields (even though it's possible it's between Yorkfield and Nehalem performance). Let's say that CPU prices and mobo prices are similar whether you go AMD or Intel (i7 is out for the sake of argument because of high costs).

Since you already have an AMD mobo that can probably run a Phenom 2, why would you not want to upgrade to it, as opposed to the Yorkfields? And it's becoming clear that more and more apps/games are going to support quads.

Why wouldn't current AMD owners not be excited? For dual core owners, it's a chance to join the quad crowd. For current Phenom owners, it's a chance to easily get about 20% more performance (or more, factoring in the overclockability of these chips). All without buying a new mobo or RAM.
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motherboards my friend. they are expensive. so is 3x2gb of DDR3. and i wouldn't really call phenom 1 a failure either. towards the end (9950) they actually got a good 3.3GHz (slightly slower than a Q6600) and usually ran cooler. again, if this performs even CLOSE to i7, it's a great buy. why? because:
it costs ~20-30 less
the motherboard costs ~250 less
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it performs very well in most games, in which case the i7 beats it by a dismissible margin (even losing to it in crysis and lost planet)
i really don't see why you think this is a failure though. it's really great bang for buck.
Why would an intel mobo cost more than an AMD mobo? Furthermore, I'm not the type to buy a cheap mobo. I want Xfire. I want AM3, not AM2+. I also want to get an insane OC.

Why would RAM cost less... RAM is RAM no matter what CPU you're using.

Yeah its good bang for buck. It however is not worth waiting for.
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Why would an intel mobo cost more than an AMD mobo? Furthermore, I'm not the type to buy a cheap mobo. I want Xfire. I want AM3, not AM2+. I also want to get an insane OC.

Why would RAM cost less... RAM is RAM no matter what CPU you're using.

Yeah its good bang for buck. It however is not worth waiting for.
sigh* x58 motherboards use DDR3 exclusively.790GX uses DDR2. 3x2gb are usually 250. 2x2x2GB is roughly 100 and you get more memory.and if you can find me a brand new x58 that costs anywhere near 100-130, than i will say that you are right and admit defeat. and if you think amd motherboards are crappy because they cost less, then i feel sorry for you. and if you don't think 800MHz is a good oc, then don't buy the i7 940...
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i7 still beats it for number crunching, which is 85% of the reason why I need a new computer. Not all of us care about gaming benchmarks...
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i7 still beats it for number crunching, which is 85% of the reason why I need a new computer. Not all of us care about gaming benchmarks...
No one ever debated that, everyone knows i7 rocks in performance (not overall price). But the number-crunching crowd is a small minority.

I think whitecrane is hung up on AM3 (w/DDR3, AM3 mobos) for some reason, which would in fact reduce the price/value advantage AMD has. He fails to see enough merit in getting the AM2+/DDR2 setups, even though it's probably only 5-10% slower. He admits it's good bang for your buck, but still doesn't seem to care. *Shrug. Nothing can appeal to everyone, obviously.

BTW, if you can apply the "bang for your buck" label to a $200+ part, then that's still a good amount of "bang" to look forward to.
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Once again, no links for proof... anybody can shop a screenshot. When will anyone actually link a verified, official benchie?
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Once again, no links for proof... anybody can shop a screenshot. When will anyone actually link a verified, official benchie?
Um, I'm guessing after December 20 after the NDA lifts.

And somehow, I think it's unlikely that ALL of these different websites and sources got together to make a bunch of fake benchmarks, all depicting the Phenom II in a positive light...especially if all of that can be dispelled and proven false in a matter of days/weeks. People need to get these conspiracy theories out of their head, like AMD paid people off to temporarily raise hype or something.
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