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With this, they're basically taxing a data transfer, and don't we already pay for internet access?
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That's just not true. I'm not a historian by any means, but grade school history tells you that the Revolution was not because we were taxed, period; it was because we were taxed without a voice in the matter. Taxation without representation, and all that jazz. This may be an oversimplification, but that recent John Adams miniseries seems to lend credence to my this simple interpretation.

Well, we are represented today...by those lovely ladies and gents that we vote into various levels of public office. Now one could make an argument that we are not well represented of course, given the level of corruption, lobbying, and cronyism that seems to take place in certain government halls, but that's a different argument.

Yes it was about taxation without representation, but generally speaking it was about unfair taxes, which is what I was trying to point out. I believe that we are not well represented at all, and I feel that our government is severely corrupt but thats just my opinion.

It just seems like Paterson is throwing all these bills around to make an emergency bandaid on our states budget gap. Once again my opinion, my question is why I-Tunes?
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Wrongo! Only Steve Jobs!

I do D2D and Steam as well as physical box copies of cherished games that I would love to have a nice box for, eg Crysis Collectors Edition, Far Cry 2, Company of Heroes, etc. It isn't what your thinking. I have a gripe against Steve Jobs and Apple, that's all.
Not YOUR wording, the article's wording.
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They want to tax fat people to. NY ftl.
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Yeah, getting taxed on a digital product that you down even own truthfully.

You get taxed on the physical aspect of the CD but not the music itself. A CD could have 50 songs on it and be $15.95 and another could have 15 and also be $15.95 but you get taxed the same.

I just wanna see some consistencey here.
that doesn't make much sense there. they don't tax you based upon the quantity of the service/product but rather the price of the item.

if you pay 20 bucks for 100 songs vs 20 bucks for 1 song the tax is going to be the same either way as you only pay a % of the purchase price.
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They want to tax fat people to. NY ftl.
This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm withholding judgment on this until I see if there are any health benefits. It's already been shown that heavy cigarette taxes reduce the number of smokers, and high gas prices reduce the number of miles we drive...if taxing types of food commonly associated with obesity (junk food, fast food, etc.) improves overall health in the aggregate, then I may not be opposed to this.

And no, this is not about "taxing fat people", or a nanny government mandating what is "good for you". It's not about individual people at all. It's about the crushing burden of the Medicare and Medicaid entitlements...IIRC, Medicaid sucks up something like 60% of state budgets. If people in the aggregate were healthier, Medicaid would not be such a huge budget item, and we wouldn't need to be taxed as much to pay for it.
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....really Paterson....

It's not political, I'm shocked he wants to do it again
    
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This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm withholding judgment on this until I see if there are any health benefits. It's already been shown that heavy cigarette taxes reduce the number of smokers, and high gas prices reduce the number of miles we drive...if taxing types of food commonly associated with obesity (junk food, fast food, etc.) improves overall health in the aggregate, then I may not be opposed to this.

And no, this is not about "taxing fat people", or a nanny government mandating what is "good for you". It's not about individual people at all. It's about the crushing burden of the Medicare and Medicaid entitlements...IIRC, Medicaid sucks up something like 60% of state budgets. If people in the aggregate were healthier, Medicaid would not be such a huge budget item, and we wouldn't need to be taxed as much to pay for it.
The foolish thing about the soft drinks is that it's targetting soft drinks only. Why pick out one type of food? That's silly. The requirement I believe only has to do with the content of fruit juice. This affects even the juice boxes kids drink! This proposal is a mess and even if it passes the officials are predicting a ~20 Billion dollar shortfall...again next year. This is stupid. They're predicting that this plan will not help yet they're going through with this. The board has passes this and now I believe it has to pass another hurdle or two and I hope it falls flat on its useless face.

The middle and lower classes are the only ones taking a hit. The entire country's middle class is shrinking and has been for a while now. This country was built on the backs of middle and lower class people. Paterson's idea of taxing our way out of this fiscal mess is a mess in its own right. His one reason for not imposing taxes on the wealthy is that he doesn't want to drive them out of the state. Please. That's a lame excuse.

Note: Mayor Bloomberg in NYC is now planning on taxing plastic bags and he changed the term limit law singlehandedly. Politics IS fun kids!
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The foolish thing about the soft drinks is that it's targetting soft drinks only. Why pick out one type of food? That's silly. The requirement I believe only has to do with the content of fruit juice. This affects even the juice boxes kids drink!
Speculation, but I suspect that the lines are being drawn this way because the law needs to be specific about what is covered and what is not. A law can't be general, it can't just cover "unhealthy food". So by specifying beverages made a certain way with a certain amount of juice content, or whatever the specifics are (I'm not a NY resident, so I have no idea what's really going on there), they can get a law on the books that might survive challenges.

The obvious downside is that the more specific such a law is, the easier it is to work around. If the law covers drinks that are only 20% or less juice, then make the drink with 25% juice. Might cost more to make, but the taxes would be lower; so customers buy more, and more sales = more profit.

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This proposal is a mess and even if it passes the officials are predicting a ~20 Billion dollar shortfall...again next year. This is stupid. They're predicting that this plan will not help yet they're going through with this.
Well, let's not be hasty in those kind of decisions. In every legislative proposal, those that are against it will argue and show data to prove that it will not work, and those that are for it will argue and show data to prove that it WILL work. Each side is probably wrong as often as they are right. In reality, economic policy changes are so complex due to their many interactions and slow pace of making a difference (positive or negative) that it is largely impossible to predict with certainty that one particular change will be effective or not.

I mean, watch the economic news shows. Get 100 economists in a room and you'll get 100 different opinions on what's going on and how to fix it. It's amazing that these folks getpaid for what they do, it all seems like random guesses when there are so many varied opinions out there.

And finally on that point, just because one tax plan doesn't completely fill a projected budget hole doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. It just means that the hole is probably too large for any one single tax proposal to fill! Sucks to be us right now, that's for sure.
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And finally on that point, just because one tax plan doesn't completely fill a projected budget hole doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. It just means that the hole is probably too large for any one single tax proposal to fill! Sucks to be us right now, that's for sure.
They always tell us what the hole is, and how much they need to come up with to bridge the gap and the bill proposals to do so, but they are never very clear as to why the gap exists in the first place. If overspending in the state government wasnt possible then there wouldnt be a gap, but I understand that not all budgets are fool proof, and that variables do exist. But still im certain that there are ways the budget money was spent that it should not have been.
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