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C. a. n. a. d. a.

We ARE the answer.

(We've got newegg now too so it's all good )
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That just means more people are going to be pirates, because a pirate is free.

Edit: so true ^^
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
It's not double taxing. If you're buying two things, you pay taxes on both things. ISP service is one thing, an MP3 from iTunes is the second thing.

Compare this to going shopping "for real", if it helps. You have to pay taxes when you buy your car, then you have to pay gasoline taxes to actually use your car to get to the store, then you have to pay taxes on whatever you buy at the store. By your argument, this would be "triple taxing"...but clearly it's not.
Double taxing would be like if the government taxed me on what I earned, and then taxed me again when I spent the remaining money they didn't tax in the first place......
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They always tell us what the hole is, and how much they need to come up with to bridge the gap and the bill proposals to do so, but they are never very clear as to why the gap exists in the first place. If overspending in the state government wasnt possible then there wouldnt be a gap, but I understand that not all budgets are fool proof, and that variables do exist. But still im certain that there are ways the budget money was spent that it should not have been.
There is some truth to this, but clarity on these things requires an understanding of the process. Working in state government and having to deal with state budgets, I can tell you with absolute certainty that nothing is certain about state budgets!

The money that is appropriated to agency budgets is based on revenue projections. And of course, projections can only be crafted based on recent history and professional forecases of where the economy is going. Further, budgets are crafted in bienniums (at least they are here). When things happen during the biennium that were not accounted for when the budget was proposed (e.g. the current recession), the entire model on which the budget was created falls apart. And that's when we get into a hole: if actual revenue falls way below the original projected revenue, then there may not be enough money to cover the budgeted amounts. Because states are required by law to run a balanced budget, suddenly every agency has to start making cuts to services, laying off employees, etc.

Now it's probably true that some largesse exists, meaning that governments tend to get a little fat during the good times when tax revenues are up. However, that money isn't generally spent on crapola; public services (merited or not) are generally created or enhanced. When cuts are required, these services need to be cut. But the catch 22 is that once the public gets a taste of a service, they cry and scream when the service needs to be cut. This is one reason why government always seems to be growing: the public arguably pays only lip service to shrinking government. Everybody like the idea of paying less taxes, but are you willing to have fewer policemen on the street to compensate? Maybe fire fighters? Longer waits for road repairs? Lower prescription drug benefits? You get the point.

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Double taxing would be like if the government taxed me on what I earned, and then taxed me again when I spent the remaining money they didn't tax in the first place......
And then they tax your estate again when you die...triple taxes!
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There is some truth to this, but clarity on these things requires an understanding of the process. Working in state government and having to deal with state budgets, I can tell you with absolute certainty that nothing is certain about state budgets!

The money that is appropriated to agency budgets is based on revenue projections. And of course, projections can only be crafted based on recent history and professional forecases of where the economy is going. Further, budgets are crafted in bienniums (at least they are here). When things happen during the biennium that were not accounted for when the budget was proposed (e.g. the current recession), the entire model on which the budget was created falls apart. And that's when we get into a hole: if actual revenue falls way below the original projected revenue, then there may not be enough money to cover the budgeted amounts. Because states are required by law to run a balanced budget, suddenly every agency has to start making cuts to services, laying off employees, etc.

Now it's probably true that some largesse exists, meaning that governments tend to get a little fat during the good times when tax revenues are up. However, that money isn't generally spent on crapola; public services (merited or not) are generally created or enhanced. When cuts are required, these services need to be cut. But the catch 22 is that once the public gets a taste of a service, they cry and scream when the service needs to be cut. This is one reason why government always seems to be growing: the public arguably pays only lip service to shrinking government. Everybody like the idea of paying less taxes, but are you willing to have fewer policemen on the street to compensate? Maybe fire fighters? Longer waits for road repairs? Lower prescription drug benefits? You get the point.
Yeah I see what your saying, and im not saying that Paterson has easy decisions to make, but I would rather see less policemen on the streets and delayed road repair than less funding for our schools and health care facilities, which is the areas he is cutting funding from in his budget plan. Now if through taxation of non-diet carbonated beverages, and preventing people from purchasing non taxable cigarettes as well as taxing I-Tunes transactions were preventing the budget cuts in the areas in which he plans, then im all for it, sadly it seems that this isnt the case.
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This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm withholding judgment on this until I see if there are any health benefits. It's already been shown that heavy cigarette taxes reduce the number of smokers, and high gas prices reduce the number of miles we drive...if taxing types of food commonly associated with obesity (junk food, fast food, etc.) improves overall health in the aggregate, then I may not be opposed to this.

And no, this is not about "taxing fat people", or a nanny government mandating what is "good for you". It's not about individual people at all. It's about the crushing burden of the Medicare and Medicaid entitlements...IIRC, Medicaid sucks up something like 60% of state budgets. If people in the aggregate were healthier, Medicaid would not be such a huge budget item, and we wouldn't need to be taxed as much to pay for it.
They want to tax people who are overweight. But they also want to tax gym memberships. That is going to really encurage people to want to work out and get healthy . Govt Patterson has a extra gene I swear.
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Govt Patterson has a extra gene I swear.
Holy ROFLchips with LMAO and gravy....
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They want to tax people who are overweight. But they also want to tax gym memberships. That is going to really encurage people to want to work out and get healthy . Govt Patterson has a extra gene I swear.
That does seem to be wrong-headed. For the argument that taxing unhealthy "stuff" to hold water, you can't also tax the healthy stuff. You need to reduce or eliminate taxes on the "good" stuff to encourage healthy consumption. This is basic stuff, Psych 101: Positive plus negative reinforcement together work better than either one separately.
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[CNET] New York considers taxing iTunes downloads

[OCN] Adrienspawn no longer considering moving to NY

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C. a. n. a. d. a.

We ARE the answer.

(We've got newegg now too so it's all good )

Hell ^ Yes
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Piracy looks even better when there is a tax on legit downloads.
Ditto. Itunes sales in NY State... Bye

Back to Limewire! Oh wait, 90% of people use it already...
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