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Now, seeing that I'm passing everything over the optical connection, will I notice any difference that way?
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Well, if you notice it then you notice it.
Hope it was a well made investment for you.
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...lol

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, when audio is passed digitally over optical to a receiver of some sort (in my case, a set of Logitech z5500s), does it matter what sound card I have? Isn't it just raw data at that point, or does a sound card make a difference even for that?
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Sorry to bump, but I really haven't been able to find an answer for this. Any takers?
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...lol

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, when audio is passed digitally over optical to a receiver of some sort (in my case, a set of Logitech z5500s), does it matter what sound card I have? Isn't it just raw data at that point, or does a sound card make a difference even for that?
Yes it makes a difference. What you're asking about is basically does a transport play a part in the overall sound quality and the answer is yes. Less jitter will definitely improve sound quality. I've heard a large difference by simply linking the system clocks on my cd transport and my d/a converter (most can't do this, though).
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I wouldn't touch a PCI-X sound card until I hear how they resolved the sound degradation issue.
" As far as PCI Express (PCIe) is concerned, which is the next bus, what we found is that the performance of PCIe is truly bad for audio. We are seeing four times degradation on the bus for audio.

PCIe is designed for graphics and high data transfer, but audio sends very small packets and the overhead can be very big! Moving the data across PCIe is much, much higher than PCI. So what we have to do is go back to the drawing board and work on the transport part of the chip and re-design it to add more silicon to overcome some of the problems we had with PCIe. So for us to come up with a PCIe solution is going to take a while because we have to overcome the problems we're facing with that bus. "
Steve Erickson VP of Creative Audio
Straight from the horses mouth.

" ... live near a fry's... my fry's had it on sale for 60$ after rebate."
$60 sounds cheap, unless it's $60 you pissed away on a bad card.

"I have not had any problems in 64bit vista, I run optical audio to my harmon kardon receiver and just recently my gf got me a pair of sennheiser hd 555 headphones and the sound is just amazing."
I am running Vista 64bit Ultimate and I am having this sound degradation. It was due to my attempt to find a solution that I found this forum and this thread.

"when audio is passed digitally over optical to a receiver of some sort (in my case, a set of Logitech z5500s), does it matter what sound card I have?"
Of course it does. If the card is flawed and the problem originates with it, subsequent issues down the line can only further corrupt the sound. Nothing can repair the damaged data.

"Yes it makes a difference. What you're asking about is basically does a transport play a part in the overall sound quality and the answer is yes."
Again, further handling of the signal can have an effect upon it, but it can only be preserved or further degraded.

If you have not made your decision yet, I would advise you to avoid this card. The quote from Steve Erickson pretty says it all.
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PCIe is designed for graphics and high data transfer, but audio sends very small packets and the overhead can be very big! Moving the data across PCIe is much, much higher than PCI. So what we have to do is go back to the drawing board and work on the transport part of the chip and re-design it to add more silicon to overcome some of the problems we had with PCIe. So for us to come up with a PCIe solution is going to take a while because we have to overcome the problems we're facing with that bus. " [/COLOR]Steve Erickson VP of Creative Audio
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If you have not made your decision yet, I would advise you to avoid this card. The quote from Steve Erickson pretty says it all.
Remember, that quote was from 2005. Time has passed. The issue may still be present, I personally am not sure about it, but from what I've read it was fixed by the EMU20K2 chip (in x-fi titanium cards). EMU20K2 also happens to be PCIe natively. It was also released in mid 2008; over 3 years after the EMU20K1 chip (the EMU20K1 was not made PCIe native, it was, however, used on some PCIe cards. It seems these are the cards that had the most problems, and they are also the cards that were around and new when that quote occurred).

Again, I'm not 100% sure about everything here, but this is just the information I've found. I don't really think that you can compare cards using these different chips. Are you using an x-fi titanium or another card? Because currently it seems only the titaniums use EMU20K2 (though for this my only source is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Fi).

Anyways, I'm not an expert in audio, especially sound cards. So I can't really help you, Enyalius. Though this is a pretty old thread so maybe you've already found your path
    
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