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Originally Posted by subtle View Post
Not at the moment, but that's the point everyone is trying to make.

Everything is going quad as we speak, so what's the point of building a new system from scratch with a Dual Core, other than budget?

If one has at least $1200-1500 to currently spend on their build, i7 is the only route to go IMO.
GTA IV can use a quad but only a 2.4 ghz quad. It actually probably only wants a 2.0 ghz quad but they don't make those.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV

I think this is the lowest quad intel makes right now.
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model HH80562PH0568M - OEM

* Processors Type: Desktop
* Series: Core 2 Quad
* FSB: 1066MHz
* L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB
* L2 Cache: 2 x 4MB
* Manufacturing Tech: 65 nm
* 64 bit Support: Yes
* Hyper-Threading Support: No
* Model #: HH80562PH0568M
* Item #: N82E16819115018
* Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

CPU's used to have to do more work, they were fighting off wolves with flyswatters, today they are swatting at flys with bazookas. I don't know how far the cpu market will degenerate into drag racing contests with super pi and 3dmark and chrysis timed demo's but the mountain has been climbed and the climbers are just jumping off of it instead of planting their flags. It's like watching people play lemings with a credit card.
I'm not trying to disrespect anyone. But I just don't think people are being realistic about their cpu needs. It would probably be a good idea to stop encouraging each other to more and more CPU because it's gone where it's needed to go and it's time to slow down now. You won't die if you don't spend what you have and I doubt many people on here will ridicule you If you give it to a charity.
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Quad.

what sounds better. 4x3.6 or 2x4?
Sure it sounds better, but it isn't actually true. A dual core, at the moment, is better for almost everything. A dual core at 4GHz is going to be better in most games and Windows.

Personally, I would go for a Quad because it's future proof, and lots of new releases are fully using the extra cores. If you are planing to play GTAIV, which is an incredibly funny game, I would go for a quad.
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Personally, I would go for a Quad because it's future proof, and lots of new releases are fully using the extra cores. If you are planing to play GTAIV, which is an incredibly funny game, I would go for a quad.
Can you name a current game that fully utilizes 4 cores? I know a couple of current games partially use a 3rd or 4th core for drivers in SLI or Crossfire setups, but that's it. What games "are fully using the extra cores?"
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Can you name a current game that fully utilizes 4 cores? I know a couple of current games partially use a 3rd or 4th core for drivers in SLI or Crossfire setups, but that's it. What games "are fully using the extra cores?"
Ok, here is my attempt to name some games:
Half Life 2
Counter Strike: Source
GTA IV
Call of Duty 4
Crysis
Far Cry 2
Unreal Tournament 3
^^Games that actually use the third and fourth cores
Edited by Livinstrong - 12/19/08 at 3:44pm
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Can you name a current game that fully utilizes 4 cores? I know a couple of current games partially use a 3rd or 4th core for drivers in SLI or Crossfire setups, but that's it. What games "are fully using the extra cores?"
I don't understand why this question is asked over and over again in Quad vs Dual threads?

It really doesn't matter if at this very second most games aren't utilizing all four cores, the trends and common sense dictate that this is the direction everything is going. Who cares if the duals still have the ability to slightly triumph quads at the moment in certain tests? In another year or two that will clearly not be the case.

If someone were building a complete system, minus monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc., today, what is the point of going with a dual core right now, other than to possibly bench higher for a small undetermined amount of time, when the cost difference between the two setups (Dual vs Quad/Dual vs i7/Quad vs i7) would be less than $500?

It just makes no sense to me to invest in technology that on its way out when I could apply that $150-300 towards a current build that will last well in to the next three to five years with a GPU upgrade or two along the way.
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CPU's used to have to do more work, they were fighting off wolves with flyswatters, today they are swatting at flys with bazookas. I don't know how far the cpu market will degenerate into drag racing contests with super pi and 3dmark and chrysis timed demo's but the mountain has been climbed and the climbers are just jumping off of it instead of planting their flags. It's like watching people play lemings with a credit card.
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Deciding on a CPU is certainly not a life and death issue but when you're in my position, and you're doing a completely new build because you haven't upgraded anything in your 939/AMD setup since 2001 coupled with the fact that your power supply just died, then it just makes no sense to currently go with a 775/C2D/C2Q setup, unless of course one is on a budget as I alluded to earlier.
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CPU's used to have to do more work, they were fighting off wolves with flyswatters, today they are swatting at flys with bazookas.

Sorry, i had to quote that.
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Deciding on a CPU is certainly not a life and death issue but when you're in my position, and you're doing a completely new build because you haven't upgraded anything in your 939/AMD setup since 2001 coupled with the fact that your power supply just died, then it just makes no sense to currently go with a 775/C2D/C2Q setup, unless of course one is on a budget as I alluded to earlier.
I hear ya. People have to early adopt to get enough of something out for it be available in the market to show its usefulness and maintain the momentum of progress. But the computer industry is trying to change over from big cpu's to massively parallel computers that use the graphics card as a general purpose processor. Right now we sit in a position where the highest overclocked extreme is half as powerful as an 8800GTX+ with no OC.
The problem is realities of it. Multhreading an operating system is alot easier because the tasks are just there and they exist and all you have to do is change them to threads and offload them to cores. Multhreading a game is tougher. It's a big jump in difficulty but still relatively easy to define a set of tasks and just throw them off on a second core and do a little bit of thread programming but to even create a game that has so much going on at once that it requires 3 or 4 cores is just not that likely. Nobody is going to do phsyx on cpu's and I've played some games that have had some really good AI that ran on 486 chips but even though AI is a little bit better today it still doesn't need a bunch of cores. Most games that even mention quad cores will likely mention what they require to do most everything on one core while offloading a bit to another core.
The computer industry is trying to revolutionize itself before it even finishes the last revolution. So really the best thing to do is not try to satisfy yourself in some future scenario but try to satisfy yourself RIGHT NOW. My last upgrade the only reason behind it was I wanted 64 bit Virtual Machine Protection and wanted 64 bit code cause Linux has that stuff ironed out like it's been to a chinese laundry. I just got a 45 watt cpu cause if I want graphics power in future it won't be there heating up the air that graphics card would prefer to be cold. Or straining voltage regulators or power supplies. But It took a long time to decide between the 4850 amd and Wolfdale core 2 duo. But more of what I didn't need lost out to nearly 1/3rd price. But just motherboard offerings make intel hard to refuse as it is, they always get the best motheboards.
If the wolfdale has a motherboard you like grab it. I bet ya won't kick it out of your cpu socket.
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post #29 of 40
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If the wolfdale has a motherboard you like grab it. I bet ya won't kick it out of your cpu socket.
You're exactly right and you made excellent points about the state of affairs in the industry. I couldn't agree more.

I was having this same discussion about software with a friend of mine the other day. She had just purchased Acrobat 8 Professional and was having major issues getting it installed properly on a Vista 64 system. We got in to a long discussion about how everything nowadays is being over-optimized to all hell and can't figure out why manufacturers are constantly in a race to beat the competition to market with a sub-par product. There were so many issues with Adobe 8 that I kept scratching my head trying to figure out why the damn fools at Adobe didn't work harder towards correcting them instead of spending time trying to create Adobe 9. Perfect the product you currently have and then worry about creating an upgrade. At least that's what makes sense to me. The quality of almost everything has gone downhill in the last two decades because of this silly "race" to the market. That's why GM is currently in the mess they're in, along with hundreds of other reasons.
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One thing you guys need to remember is he wants this to last 2-2.5 years. By then more games will be optimized to use the four cores and the quad might just be pulling ahead of the dual. Or at least I hope more things are optimized for quadcores in 2010-2011.

While this is solely based on speculation, I have a feeling the quadcore will hold it's performance better than the dual core in the future (i.e. the next few years). Though if the only important performance was today and you were to upgrade sooner, then probably the E8500 because it will clock higher and this will matter more (unless you play quad optimized games out today like UT3 and GTAIV).

I would put my vote towards getting the quad rather than the dual.
    
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