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The industry needs to draw a line in the sand. A few angry (and anonymous) internet posts were enough to change how Mass Effect PC DRM worked, which was completely reasonable and accommodating.

Most people upset with DRM are feigning outrage and victim-hood for lack of any real argument. The simplest solution - an internet check, already present in nearly all online games - is also met with the most vitriol (and quite ironically taking place mostly in online forums), a point I can only explain as lacking any reasoned response besides it makes it that much harder to pirate. If you don't have any basic internet access nowadays you have no business dumping money into hardware-intense games.

I'm also suspicious of the 'hardware swapping' folks, as even in my most intense building binge, I never had the time or income to replace every part in my computer multiple times in any stretch of months. If you can afford to do that then I'll bust out my world's smallest violin when you start moaning about DRM measures and how hard they make it for you (that, and despite numerous swaps on my own machine have never had any 'activation' issues on any games that use it).

Now, I am quite aware the most DRM measures have many failings. I'm also quite aware that if you're capable of doing it (which likely involves reading instructions from smarter people), in most cases it can be broken. But calling all DRM bad isn't the answer, and from my point of view is simply a paper-thin vernier to rationalize behavior one might otherwise feel guilty about.

Like I said, the industry needs to come out and tell whiny consumers to get over themselves or go buy a Wii. If you can't meet simple requirements to authorize software (which reminds me, Vista has quite a draconian DRM system that no one complains about), then your either being asked too little or too much - that is you shouldn't be playing anything in the first place or you didn't pay for it to begin with.
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I hardly play games anymore but I own mostly steam games with the exception of COD4 and Crysis.

When I was younger my mother didn't have the money to buy my games and we didn't have the money to even go to the movies but we got my first dell computer financed through a rent place for $65 a month. She didn't have money for games and we used dial-up internet then also. I pirated every game I played back then but I was 13 or 14 years old. I look back and think about it but I don't blame myself for doing it but now I work full time with a career and I buy all my games.

I don't think there is a excuse for pirating games, I just made that decision on my own when I was younger, my mom didn't know how I got the games on my computer because she knew nothing about computers. I'm now almost 21 and I don't support piracy but if it wasn't for piracy of games I wouldn't have been able to play them and get into computers at all, I probably would have just never used the computer and it would have been only used for pictures,music, and documents.
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post #43 of 82
I think it's really quite simple why people pirate:

Why pay for something when you don't have to?

All other forms of reasoning and rationale behind it are nothing more than excuses to hide the fact that people simply won't pay for something when they can get it for free.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
I think it's really quite simple why people pirate:

Why pay for something when you don't have to?
Respect for the developer. Of course thats the whole problem. I hate EA for their poor games and draconian DRM, so honestly even if they were to give their games away, I would still probably pirate them. Same goes for Ubisoft, I still can't believe I paid $50 for Farcry 2.

On the other hand, if Valve were to leak a DRM free version of their next big game onto torrent sites and offer fast seeding, I would still buy the game off steam.

There is a ridiculous amount of blind speculation in the article though. I didn't bother to quote him because I don't have an hour to spend explaining why its just wrong, but I counted at least 10 statements in the article that can be basically summed up as "Well this game sold poorly because AND ONLY BECAUSE of this, therefore every game ever made in the history of man suffers from this".
    
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post #46 of 82
I lo0ok at a lot of download sites to watch what people are downloading. and to read comments on the games, if it's any good or not before I buy a game. I hate buying a game then the game is crap. But I see just as many console games being pirated as pc games. The only reason Pc games are pirated more often are because to play pirated games on a console you have to open the console to mod it. most people do not want to void warranty just to play a game. so DRM might not be a bad thing. but people will get around it. IMHO
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Originally Posted by madroxinide View Post
Sorry, I buy games because I enjoy playing them. If a game sucks, them charging me 50$ for it is theft. Practically.
you accept that risk when you make ANY purchase. furthermore, just because a game may not suit your tastes does not make it suck, it just means you don't like it.

a bad game is one that's so bug-riddled that it barely runs. the story doesn't play out, you can't continue as you're supposed to - it's broken.

a "sucky" game is one that doesn't suit your preferences - for some reason you don't like it.

see how that works? One is the game's fault, and it's an easily known, objectively measured factor that can be learned of through reviews and such. The other has nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with the player - it's completely subjective, and therefore not of any use as a concrete assessment of quality.

Again, i reiterate: You accept the risk that you will not enjoy the product when you purchase it. If you're a savvy consumer, you'll mostly seek out stuff that's similar to stuff you've enjoyed in the past. you'll read the reviews and figure out BEFOREHAND if it's your cup of tea.

what you CANNOT do in a civilized society is take in a complete experience for free, and then, depending on whether you feel it delivered sufficient entertainment, pay for it.

Do your research and you won't be buying games that you don't like.
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blah blah same old stuff.... devs need to use steam or something like it... or design games around mainly multiplayer to register wtih servers.. blah blah blah... the usual stuff.. get over it devs... make good games and they people will buy!

LETS ASK VALVE! Valve are you happy with the pc gaming industry and feel applications like steam are the future of gaming...

VALVE: HELL YES

are other devs just complaining cause they aren't top guns anymore... like id with john carmack


Valve: we are to nice to laugh at other devs for the crap they pull mainly EA but ya maybe they shoudl evaluate the market and give what the market wants and needs...

blah blah blah...
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post #49 of 82
keys,
1. Low Price
2. Easy to purchase.

like even steam is not easy enough for me to purchase anything
standard must be wide, please include the low income folks.

(like saving up for months, and sell old hardware just to get a 150 dollar video card, how easy is it to pay 30 - 60 for all, or at least some of good titles... so yeah, and what is up with the pricings on stuff like office, now all schools more or less "required" that, doesn't every able to purchase hundred dollar worth software , (not everywhere sales student edition or whatever), i mean just think for the poor, more of us out tthere then u think)
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valve is a good company and so is ubisoft motreal i buy their games although to save money 90% of my games are 2nd hand. the friends i bought from bought the more latest games or moved on to other games


as for pirating, its so easy to do it on the Xbox 360, Wii and PS2, haha those games been pirated ever since, but the real tough cookie is the PS3, impossible to hack.

Pirating on the consoles is just as bad as PC, its just PCs have been around longer and kinda are more prevalent.

meh, i pay to play, its just like going to the movies or arcade. pay to enjoy.
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