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Originally Posted by procpuarie View Post
i still do not support any type of drm. now steam... that is a great idea.
Steam IS DRM.

It is online authentication just like a lot of these other DRM "schemes." It's come a way but it still uses resources, and gives us that silly front page "store" spam every time we start it.

It's arguably more invasive than any other DRM I've used, although it does seem to generally work in that it doesn't prevent me from playing my games (granted my compy is never offline.)
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Here i'll examine piracy for you.

1. People don't have enough money to buy all the games they want.

2. They decide on which ones to buy depending on which ones their friends either enjoy most or are going to buy.

3. The ones that aren't going to be played by them and their friends goes on the pirate list and onto hamachi.

4. So even though they didn't buy the game, they had the chance to play it. Not that it's legal, just that people just dont have enough money. and by the time they get enough money a newer and more popular game is either just around the corner or just came out.
What? More like this:

1. People see they can get a game for free without paying for it through piracy.

2. They download it and play it, saving themselves $60 to spend on something else, and wrecking the game industry.

3. They make up false arguments for why they do so.

Hows that sound?
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Originally Posted by prosser13 View Post
What? More like this:

1. People see they can get a game for free without paying for it through piracy.

2. They download it and play it, saving themselves $60 to spend on something else, and wrecking the game industry.

3. They make up false arguments for why they do so.

Hows that sound?
More or less.
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Piracy could be easily fixed with a little engineering. People are inherently lazy they can find, download, install and play a game in less time than they can get a shower, go start the car, brush off the snow, drive to the store, pick out the game, go through the register, drive back home, tear off the plastic, enter a cd key etc... not to mention half the games you buy are so bug ridden that it takes 2 months of patches to complete them. Add the fact that the industry moves so fast a lifespan of a game may only be a few months before the hardware moves passed it or adds more bugs to it that make it more difficult to run.
There is much more to it but I think many people pirate not really because they are trying to get something free, but because they can't justify the time and cost of the rediculous products and marketing that is being jammed down their throats.
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Piracy has been going on for a LOOONG time now, MANY software companies have gone down the tube.

In the EARLY(1984+) days it was restricted to ONLY those cracked games themselves and `who new` others that did, they to swap and COMPETE with each other. The kids (as they mostly were teenagers!) suddenly started to get famous for thier `activities` and would put messages infront of the games to greet thier friends.
as time went on, those in the know stated meeting up and joining forces as the amount of software was too much for one person to `release` some of these `groups` started selling thier `cracks` this then payed for the very expensive modems that the groups needed to `spread` this stuff, then they needed to pay for the telephone bills (INTERNATIONAL CALLS!!!!)
all sorts of methods were used to con ALL the telephone compaines into FREE calls.
This went on for quite a few years, .

It started out as a bunch of kids proving themselves MASTER OF THE FLOPPY DISC, it then turned into a MASSIVE cash making machine. There were a few BIG international BUSTS that brought down alot of the big players but there are always the new kids to prove themselves..

Thats how I remember Piracy, I dont much look into it these days, seems fairly anonomus these days but the stuff still appears

the 0 day thing came from the early 90`s and you had to be `in the know` to have ANY HOPE of getting them

These days with P2P software, ANYONE and EVERYONE has access to 0 day stuff
In the 90`s the software compaines had at LEAST 1 month before the pirate games hit the schoolyard,
THESE DAYS THEY HAVE NO HOPE! what chance do they have of making any real money in that timescale!!

I DO NOT PIRATE COMPUTER SOFTWARE AS IVE SEEN THE DAMAGE DONE OVER THE YEARS!


ALL Computers and pretty much ALL consoles have been pirated in some way, even the super famicom/snes and sega megadrive WAY back

RANT OVER!
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Originally Posted by prosser13 View Post
What? More like this:

1. People see they can get a game for free without paying for it through piracy.

2. They download it and play it, saving themselves $60 to spend on something else, and wrecking the game industry.

3. They make up false arguments for why they do so.

Hows that sound?
Then they miss out on the good part of the game, Multiplayer.
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Piracy has been going on for a LOOONG time now
This reminded me of "Don't copy that floppy!" XD
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See the thing is, how many people say they won't pirate as long as they get a demo but wont buy the game?

It's easy to take someone's word for it(not saying your not being truthful) when they say if you give me a demo I won't pirate. Then there those who pirate the game to test it out but don't actually buy the game cause they like it and they already have it installed. Why go through the trouble of uninstalling it, going to the store and spending the money when you already have it?

That's the problem, regardless if there is a demo or not, regardless if you want to test out the game or not, piracy is still piracy no matter the intentions. You wouldn't test out a bag of chips in the store to see if they taste good before you buy them now would you?

And if someone is gonna bring up the car dealership analogy, the difference is that there is no way of you to get a hold of the car and drive it as long as you want and no one knows about it. You have someone there with you making sure you don't take the car. Games don't have that nor do chips
Piracy still exists, true, but I for one wouldn't be tempted by it if a Demo existed. Take for example Dead Space and Oblivion. No demos, how was I supposed to test them out? In the end I did buy them, after getting a chance to play them(not sure I should talk about how I was able to play them, TOS?) Regardless, Pirated copies are a gamble, and there's no guaranteed support in terms of patches. A bag of chips and a video game can't really be related. I could buy a snack pack for $0.99, try the chips, if I hate them, it's not a huge loss.

Heck, based on that, why not have $1 demos? Anything to sample the software. It doesn't solve piracy, but it gives those who are a little more tight with their money to avoid piracy as an alternative.
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post #79 of 82
I love reading piracy threads because there is always someone who uses the

"Piracy isn't theft!" argument.

I don't care what the dictionary says, but if you get something for free and someone else is losing money because of it .... that is theft.

Anyway, this was a good article. PC games (or really games in general) will be pirated no matter what. Developers should focus more on how much money they did make rather than how much they could have made if no one pirated it.

oh, and saying that $50 for a game is too much and that is it okay to pirate it because you don't have enough money is bull crap. I think $50 is completely reasonable if not cheap. Think of all the time and effort that went into making games like Fallout 3. Weigh that up with how much play time you got out of it and I am pretty sure you are getting more than $50 worth.

Besides, its not like games cost as much as they did in the N64 days. Those prices were crazy.
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Piracy threads.... funny crap. Isn't going to go away, will continue to happen, regardless of measures put into place. It's human nature to try and get what they want for free. Yes, there are some that fight that nature and purchase anything & everything. We call those "independantly wealthy" or "living in mom & dad's basement". Regardless, these threads make me laugh, those for, those against. And then there's like me, who don't give a spit about it because we'll do what we feel is necessary and it's our own consciousness that we have to answer to.

Love it, hate it, condone it, condemn it,... it doesn't matter. In the end, it's going to happen, and there's not anything that anyone can really do about it. There's been legal means to stop it, and it's still going on.

Lets see, does that teach us anything??
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