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[Anandtech] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 Coming in January

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With a board power of 289W, this thing isn't going to be cheap to run. Plugging two in a system is going to push the envelope, but 3-way GTX 280 will still consume more power. It is likely that NVIDIA made the changes to memory bandwidth in order to save on a couple hundred megs of RAM that would draw too much more power. Making such a move is definitely sensible, but it is at the highest end (2560x1600 with tons of blur (I mean AA, sorry)) where tons of RAM are needed to push performance.

Of course, with two cards (especially if a game is capable of alternate frame rendering (AFR)), memory limited performance issues will be mitigated quite a bit, and opening up the shader power of two GTX 280 cards in a single slot is big for games that use a lot of compute. The way future games tackle the balance of compute and memory has yet to be seen, but NVIDIA has been saying for years that the future continues to be increasing the compute ratio.

We like hard launches. This isn't one. While that's disappointing, we do really want to get our hands on this hardware. The GTX 295 definitely looks like it will best the Radeon HD 4870 X2 in terms of raw power. Beyond that, it is clear that AMD hasn't taken driver development seriously enough and CrossFire just isn't as robust as SLI. Relying on a CrossFire based solution for their highest end part means it is necessary to provide reliable performance and stability across all games, new and old, and on all platforms. Making user defined profiles that allow the forcing of different CrossFire modes on certain games would go a long way to helping, but the real relief will come when AMD decides to fix their broken driver development model.

As it stands, SLI is a better solution than CrossFire and the GPUs on the GTX 295 will really put the screws to RV770. We will very likely see NVIDIA take back the crown in terms single card performance.

That said, how sad is it that NVIDIA had to go and push this press info out there 3 weeks before availability just to try and slow AMD's momentum during the holiday season.
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Not a whole lot of stuff we don't know but I was wondering about what Anand said about CF not being as robust as SLI and that AMD isn't taking driver development seriously. Is that true? I thought CF scaled a lot better than SLI and AMD has new driver updates way more often than Nvida.
    
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Well i think its true..Our multi GPU quite sucks compared to nVidia..Our driver..arent fully optimized..
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Dammit, people need to start telling me these things...

When did SLi become better than Crossfire? Wasn't the exact opposite true in like, june?
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Well i think its true..Our multi GPU quite sucks compared to nVidia..Our driver..arent fully optimized..
lol saying that they're not fully optimized is like saying that China isn't "fully capitalist yet" ...

On paper the 4870X2 is a much bigger beat than in the real world (although it does kick ass). Nvidia's dual GPU technology is a bit more... refined (that's the word).

These dual GPU solutions are nice for people with single slot boards or (more importantly) with the pre-X58 intel chipset crowd.
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this pretty much shut the mouth of all nvidia haters
as i said a few times before and got heavily flamed and called a fanboy, nvidia>ati
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I'm not believing SLI is better than Crossfire until I get some truth in here; I haven't heard Nvidia boast about it yet.
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This article basically says nothing.
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This article basically says nothing.
though derek's comments are worth reading,why 4870x2's paper launch made sense and why GTX295's doesn't-


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The GeForce GTX 295 isn't something we knew about or expected before this month, and it honestly doesn't seem vital to NVIDIA's strategy. It is well timed in marketing terms, but sometimes that's just coincidence. The point is though, that you don't know what you are getting until you are able to buy it (and I did, at least, mention that at the end of the R700 preview). Hard launches are better for consumers.

Honestly, I still feel that these circumstances are different, but if I had it to do over again, I would have emphasized the point that the R700 preview was bigger than a product, that the preview was much more about corporate direction and design philosophy, and that we want to see companies stick to hard launches. I do apologize for not coming through on that in the R700 preview.
    
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lol saying that they're not fully optimized is like saying that China isn't "fully capitalist yet" ...

On paper the 4870X2 is a much bigger beat than in the real world (although it does kick ass). Nvidia's dual GPU technology is a bit more... refined (that's the word).

These dual GPU solutions are nice for people with single slot boards or (more importantly) with the pre-X58 intel chipset crowd.
I agree with you there. I own a Asus P6T and I have no capabilities to do Tri-Sli so I'm hoping that the GTX 295 scales really well in Quad SLi because as far as my Motherboard is concerned I'm limited to Dual GPU Solutions.
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Not a whole lot of stuff we don't know but I was wondering about what Anand said about CF not being as robust as SLI and that AMD isn't taking driver development seriously. Is that true? I thought CF scaled a lot better than SLI and AMD has new driver updates way more often than Nvida.
nvidia pretty much releases a new driver a week i think there was like 3 last month and a new beta just released, nvidia is just throwing drivers at us. sli vs cf i have no opinion on though havent used either well over exaderation about the drivers but heres a list and an unofficial 181.00 just released

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
Edited by mr. biggums - 12/18/08 at 2:38pm
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