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Any time you raise your voltage your lowering your chips life by some amount.
Which is why OCing my Q6600 from 2.4 to 3.2 on stock voltage is nice. Same thing with Penryns. We haven't seen any stock-voltage OCs yet for this chip, I think.
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Which is why OCing my Q6600 from 2.4 to 3.2 on stock voltage is nice. Same thing with Penryns. We haven't seen any stock-voltage OCs yet for this chip, I think.
I remember one very way back. I think it was from 2.6 to 3.1 or something like that.
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Which is why OCing my Q6600 from 2.4 to 3.2 on stock voltage is nice. Same thing with Penryns. We haven't seen any stock-voltage OCs yet for this chip, I think.
Yeah but for one, this chip in particular starts at 3GHz stock. Plus I don't think any quad chip can get to 4GHz on stock volts.

Plus a stock OC on the Phenom 2 would probably be somewhere in the 3.2-3.5 range. We still never know though. But its different just because of the fact that it starts 3GHz stock. If this is compared to say a Q6600, it starts 2.4 and most make it to 3-3.2 on stock. Very different from this phenom range.
Edited by Slappa - 12/20/08 at 1:16pm
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Yeah but for one, this chip in particular starts at 3GHz stock. Plus I don't think any quad chip can get to 4GHz on stock volts.

Plus a stock OC on the Phenom 2 would probably be somewhere in the 3.2-3.5 range. We still never know though. But its different just because of the fact that it starts 3GHz stock. If this is compared to say a Q6600, it starts 2.4 and most make it to 3-3.2 on stock. Very different from this phenom range.
Hmm...it OCs to the same range, but starts off with 600mhz higher at stock. I would think that means it's not too good at OCing unless its technically factory-OCed. If you take, say, an E8400 at 3ghz, I'm sure it OCs better than the 3ghz P2 (not Pentium 2 lol). I don't remember exactly what people get but I know 4ghz its easy under 1.36V, and I've seen 4.4ghz. So on stock without Vdroop maybe 3.5.

edit: A cookie to whoever counts the amount of times the letters O and C appear in my post.
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Let's not get technical, a few minutes doesn't mean I can't measure it in seconds. Put it this way, it's won't last the 10 years it would at stock It's ok if it can take a beating, but we don't want to beat our chips, we want to OC them.
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Who cares? Nothing useful can be done @ that speed. i7 is still faster clock-for-clock than Phenom II.
Knowing the maximum "beating" these processors can take directly relates to how much we'll be able to OC them. If the Phenom II can take higher frequencies than the Ci7 (which it clearly can), then that means overvoltage and the problems it can cause will be less of a limiting factor in overclocking them compare to Ci7. That means higher overclocks, such as 6GHz! Anyone with a decent WC setup is going to be able to take these things past 4Ghz. We already know that.

The Ci7 appears to have an edge in clock-for-clock performance as far as these early tests go, but if retail Phenom IIs overclock as well as they seem capable of in these early tests, the Phenom II will definitely be able to compete with the Ci7. Would you have believed anyone who made that claim a month ago? AMD's ability to compete is the goal of every smart buyer on OCN. No one in their right mind is saying Phenom II is clearly better.

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Hmm...it OCs to the same range, but starts off with 600mhz higher at stock. I would think that means it's not too good at OCing unless its technically factory-OCed. If you take, say, an E8400 at 3ghz, I'm sure it OCs better than the 3ghz P2 (not Pentium 2 lol). I don't remember exactly what people get but I know 4ghz its easy under 1.36V, and I've seen 4.4ghz. So on stock without Vdroop maybe 3.5.
That...that's a dual-core processor you're talking about.
Edited by Guruboy - 12/20/08 at 1:29pm
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Hmm...it OCs to the same range, but starts off with 600mhz higher at stock. I would think that means it's not too good at OCing unless its technically factory-OCed. If you take, say, an E8400 at 3ghz, I'm sure it OCs better than the 3ghz P2 (not Pentium 2 lol). I don't remember exactly what people get but I know 4ghz its easy under 1.36V, and I've seen 4.4ghz. So on stock without Vdroop maybe 3.5.

edit: A cookie to whoever counts the amount of times the letters O and C appear in my post.
You're talking about a dual core though. These are quads. A much different game. If you think about it, 3GHz IS somewhat a factory OC in a way. They could have easily brought these in at 2.4GHz stock like the Q6600 and you would have been able to OC up to 3.4~GHz on stock volts, guaranteed 3GHz on stock volts.
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Any time you raise your voltage your lowering your chips life by some amount.
no... you can add a certain amount of voltage and still keep the same lifespan. Once you hit a certain point the lifespan will start to diminish. How much you can add to a chip obviously will differ.
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no... you can add a certain amount of voltage and still keep the same lifespan. Once you hit a certain point the lifespan will start to diminish. How much you can add to a chip obviously will differ.
If we pretend driving a car 5 miles faster won't make it lose any less gas then if we did the same distance at a slower pace yes. There is always life loss with more tear, voltage is tear. This is why i embolded some, i meant a unnoticeable amount.
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if we pretend driving a car 5 miles faster won't make it lose any less gas then if we did the same distance at a slower pace yes. There is always life loss with more tear, voltage is tear. This is why i embolded some, i meant a unnoticeable amount.
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