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Remember that press release in the 90's when the CEO of Ford said he wasn't worried about the fact that they had (finally) lost market share of cars to Japan, because Americans drive trucks, and trucks are the future? Yeah... they spend million on marketing research and should have seen this coming.

The UAW has nothing to do with the problems of the American auto-industry.
I stopped reading after this line.
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post #32 of 40
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I got Dumb and Dumber, Friday, Next Friday, TMNT, TMNTII, Clerks, Jersey Girl, Jay and Silent Bob, American Pie, and whole ton of others for $7.50, and 2 for $10.

So no, they weren't "knock offs".



No, it's just the cool thing for every single kid and person in the world to hate on Wal-Mart.

It's actually quite annoying when everyone in the world does nothing but insult the damn place.
First and foremost, shop where you want. But you could have likely gotten the same deals at amazon or Costco, a union labor discounter, and one of walmarts largest competitors. At Costco, employees have rights, enjoy a safer work environment, better health care, and most of all are paid a fair market wage.

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I stopped reading after this line.
Well that's a shame, as it has been empirically proven through data analysis by some leading economists.
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post #33 of 40
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First and foremost, shop where you want. But you could have likely gotten the same deals at amazon or Costco, a union labor discounter, and one of walmarts largest competitors. At Costco, employees have rights, enjoy a safer work environment, better health care, and most of all are paid a fair market wage.



Well that's a shame, as it has been empirically proven through data analysis by some leading economists.
Leading Economists? The Democratic Staff Of The Committee On Education? I can cherry pick my sources as too, but that's neither here nor there.

Wal Mart is huge. Like any big company, there are bound to problems here and there. Like I said before, I actually worked at one. I had rights, a safe work environment, good health care, and was paid over minimum wage - And so was everyone else that worked there. In fact the people that work at the warehouses that load and unload trucks make quite a bit of money. So you can ramble on and on about how evil WalMart is, but you're just spinning your wheels. They employ god knows how many people and help out the middle to lower class with low prices on just about everything, but none of that is apparently important. Sure they make it next to impossible for mom and pop stores to survive, but that's the world we live in. Bleh, I'm done arguing.
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post #34 of 40
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Leading Economists? The Democratic Staff Of The Committee On Education? I can cherry pick my sources as too, but that's neither here nor there.

Wal Mart is huge. Like any big company, there are bound to problems here and there. Like I said before, I actually worked at one. I had rights, a safe work environment, good health care, and was paid over minimum wage - And so was everyone else that worked there. In fact the people that work at the warehouses that load and unload trucks make quite a bit of money. So you can ramble on and on about how evil WalMart is, but you're just spinning your wheels. They employ god knows how many people and help out the middle to lower class with low prices on just about everything, but none of that is apparently important. Sure they make it next to impossible for mom and pop stores to survive, but that's the world we live in. Bleh, I'm done arguing.

If you read my first post which would have been reasonable, I stated, I am favoring bottom up economics, and we probably won't agree here. That's great! You have a different opinion. But if you read my post, you'd also know I didn't once complain about mom and pop stores dieing. That's capitalism. And I'm an economic conservative. Please do NOT respond unless you read my first post as that is where the facts are.
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If you read my first post which would have been reasonable, I stated, I am favoring bottom up economics, and we probably won't agree here. That's great! You have a different opinion. But if you read my post, you'd also know I didn't once complain about mom and pop stores dieing. That's capitalism. And I'm an economic conservative. Please do NOT respond unless you read my first post as that is where the facts are.
Firstly, the note about mom and pop stores was just an aside and not a response to your quote. I stated it as a negative about superstores. Secondly, I'll respond to whatever I want to. But if you expect me to read through your democratic drivel, you're talking to the wrong guy.

I base my argument on personal experience, whereas you base yours on partisan "research". You tell me what's more valuable.
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lol @ arguing over Wallmart with all that double-plus newspeak, especially with that smile
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Firstly, the note about mom and pop stores was just an aside and not a response to your quote. I stated it as a negative about superstores. Secondly, I'll respond to whatever I want to. But if you expect me to read through your democratic drivel, you're talking to the wrong guy.

I base my argument on personal experience, whereas you base yours on partisan "research". You tell me what's more valuable.
I wish I could shake off perfectly well cited claims as "drivel" while offering no rebuttal to them and still feel dignified.

Statistics and research are more valuable tools when surveys and samples are conducted on a large scale. Your personal experience is just that. A personal experience, and nothing more. I'm glad you seemed to have worked in one of the stores that treated associates properly, but this is not the case on a larger level.

Unfortunately, any attempt I make to show this, you won't read. I don't have a problem ending this. Our short debate has been posted. People may read. By all means, you can take the last word. No point in going much further since inconvenient information is drivel and will be discarded.
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post #38 of 40
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Everyone cries and whines about how bad Wal-Mart is when it's really not.
Ignorance is bliss. You really should do some research.

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Leading Economists? The Democratic Staff Of The Committee On Education? I can cherry pick my sources as too, but that's neither here nor there.

Wal Mart is huge. Like any big company, there are bound to problems here and there. Like I said before, I actually worked at one. I had rights, a safe work environment, good health care, and was paid over minimum wage - And so was everyone else that worked there. In fact the people that work at the warehouses that load and unload trucks make quite a bit of money. So you can ramble on and on about how evil WalMart is, but you're just spinning your wheels. They employ god knows how many people and help out the middle to lower class with low prices on just about everything, but none of that is apparently important. Sure they make it next to impossible for mom and pop stores to survive, but that's the world we live in. Bleh, I'm done arguing.
I hate to break it to you, but unless you had a full time job that entitled benefits, you didn't experience Wal-Mart. Yours may have been an exception, but to extend your personal experience at one Wal-Mart to the entire corporation is naive and much less reliable than any "cherry picked" source - not to mention that the sources are irrelevant as long as the source is unbias and due research has been conducted by the source, but I digress.

Just because you want to disagree with a source does not make it wrong. This isn't like voting records where you can skew pretty much anything and still technically be telling the truth; Wal-Mart's actions are its own and you cannot skew what they've done and continue to do. Not only is the corporation itself dirty and sneaky (even by big corporation standards), but they aren't as honest as you think. Sure, employing lots of people is all fine and dandy, but only giving people 38 or 39 hours a week so that they don't have to pay the employees full-time wages, overtime, or give them benefits is helping people? I'd hardly call that helpful. Tax evasion, environmental impact problems, false advertising (and that's putting it nicely considering they tried to pawn off Chinese crap as American-made not too long ago), etc. The list goes on; at least department stores like Target give back to the community instead of simply raping and pillaging it. Part of being a big corporation is taking responsibility for its prominent role in the economy and society in general, but Wal-Mart redefines pitiful in this respect.
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Ignorance is bliss. You really should do some research.
Research is drivel.
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Research is drivel.
I suppose it is when it tells you what you don't want to hear. Like I said, ignorance is bliss.
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