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with a good motherboard that doesn't have problems running a decent FSB speed (like maybe pushing 500 depending on what speed you shoot for), I'd get the q9300.

But the q6600's are very popular and proven overclockers, I just don't see why it's worth it to spend that $ on 2 year old tech.

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Although some will argue the newer Q6600's, in general, can't overclock as high as the older ones... I still would pick it over the Q9300. The Q6600, while "only" 65nm, still has a larger L2 cache and a 9x multiplier. The 7.5x multi on the Q9300 would annoy the piss out of me where OC'ing is concerned.
The Q6600 has 2x4MB cache, whereas the q9300 has a shared 6MB cache--so more cache is available to each core of the 9300 as opposed to each core of the q6600 only having access to 4MB to each core.
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with a good motherboard that doesn't have problems running a decent FSB speed (like maybe pushing 500 depending on what speed you shoot for), I'd get the q9300.

But the q6600's are very popular and proven overclockers, I just don't see why it's worth it to spend that $ on 2 year old tech.
While I agree that with a decent motherboard you should be able to OC the Q9300 fairly well; the time since introduction or "age" (as with the Q6600 for example), in and of itself, means nothing.

Just keep in mind you'll need 480FSB for 3.6GHz with the Q9300. Some boards are capable of this, but it won't necessarily be a cake walk.
    
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While I agree that with a decent motherboard you should be able to OC the Q9300 fairly well; the time since introduction or "age" (as in the Q6600), in and of itself, means nothing.
But it does--we're talking comparably priced CPU's, one is 65nm, one is 45nm, and likely both can OC to the same extent. I'd rather have the one that isn't 2 years old...
    
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But it does--we're talking comparably priced CPU's, one is 65nm, one is 45nm, and likely both can OC to the same extent. I'd rather have the one that isn't 2 years old...
It's fine to argue actual hardware and performance differences, but as I said before - the actual age, in and of itself, means nothing.
    
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It's fine to argue actual hardware and performance differences, but as I said before - the actual age, in and of itself, means nothing.
Oh, I get that--I guess I was implying tech age, yet using actual timeline age. If we were talking 2 chips of the same architecture and manufacturing process, I agree--actual age doesn't matter. But different manufacturing processes, I'd rather have the newer one on a smaller manu process.
    
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Don't waste your money. Q6600 or Q9550.
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It'd be cool if the FSB was named 1337 not 1333 Pure pwnage !
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Oh, I get that--I guess I was implying tech age, yet using actual timeline age. If we were talking 2 chips of the same architecture and manufacturing process, I agree--actual age doesn't matter. But different manufacturing processes, I'd rather have the newer one on a smaller manu process.
Once again, the aspect of age itself does not matter. "Newer tech" does not necessarily equate to "better," as a whole, when all aspects of the items in question are considered.
Edited by Choggs396 - 12/19/08 at 8:15pm
    
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Once again, age itself does not matter. Newer "tech" does not necessarily equate to "better," as a whole, when all aspects of the items in question are considered.
Didn't we already have that discussion a few posts ago? And didn't I agree with you? LOL. Anyhoo, stop reading it literally--in saying "newer" it was a modifier to the statement of "smaller manu process." I never said that since the cpu was newer or younger or made more recently means that it is inherently better or faster, hence why I was talking about the manufacturing process. Perhaps I should have specified what about the manufacturing process would make it more preferable over an "older" one.
    
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Didn't we already have that discussion a few posts ago? And didn't I agree with you? LOL. Anyhoo, stop reading it literally--in saying "newer" it was a modifier to the statement of "smaller manu process." I never said that since the cpu was newer or younger or made more recently means that it is inherently better or faster, hence why I was talking about the manufacturing process. Perhaps I should have specified what about the manufacturing process would make it more preferable over an "older" one.
A smaller manufacturing process, in and of itself, does not necessarily equate to a "better" or "more preferable" CPU either.

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The Q6600 has 2x4MB cache, whereas the q9300 has a shared 6MB cache--so more cache is available to each core of the 9300 as opposed to each core of the q6600 only having access to 4MB to each core.
That is incorrect. The Q6600 has 4MB shared L2 Cache for each pair of cores. The Q9300 has 3MB shared L2 cache for each pair of cores.
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