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Core i7: Best performance, excels at media. encoding, number crunching, sheer power necessary applications, multi tasking.

Phenom II: Improvements over k10, respectable performance in relation to i7 and Yorkfield, lower cost for platform, cheaper processor prices.

Both are good chips, if you have the money to go for i7 GO FOR IT, it will provide you with greater performance, if you are not blessed with such budget, the Phenom II offers excellent performance for the price.

There really should be no argument over which one is better in terms of performance, its obviously the i7, but when you widen the scope to price : performance and the cost of the entire platform, Phenom II is competitive.
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So is this thing out today, like it was speculated?
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... your talking to me like I dont know anything.
Yeah, I tend to generalize who I'm talking to lol. While I may quote someone, what ensues is not necessarily directed to who I quoted. In order to make my posts accessible to everyone I'll say the thing I wanted to say, and then use easy-to-understand terms to explain. Plus I'm French so that probably doesn't help.

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Originally Posted by logo199 View Post
Core i7: Best performance, excels at media. encoding, number crunching, sheer power necessary applications, multi tasking.

Phenom II: Improvements over k10, respectable performance in relation to i7 and Yorkfield, lower cost for platform, cheaper processor prices.

Both are good chips, if you have the money to go for i7 GO FOR IT, it will provide you with greater performance, if you are not blessed with such budget, the Phenom II offers excellent performance for the price.

There really should be no argument over which one is better in terms of performance, its obviously the i7, but when you widen the scope to price : performance and the cost of the entire platform, Phenom II is competitive.
Pretty much. Only thing I would add is possibility for SLI and Crossfire on the X58s.
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Hi. 64 bit.

On another note, I'll never understand why people fight over 3DMark scores - in most games what's that, 5-7 FPS difference?
If you have a new gaming (that's built for gaming) rig with a decent VGA all that counts is cost as TestECull mentioned above.

People who buy CPUs just for benchmarking apparently don't really mind if those chips cost 200 or 300 or 1000$ - unless you care about how many times you're gonna fry them.

Folders are something in between - chips are not built around folding@home though.
Your both wrong in my opinion. Most games aren't multi-threaded so buying a quad-core of any kind for gaming is a "waste." Theres hardly any advantages when moving from 2-4 threads, much less 4-8 threads like Nehalem.

If price is really an issue then theres the dual-core K10 and dual-core Pentiums that you could spend $70 on without sacrificing performance.

If your really looking at a quad then chances are you have the money to get some of the best parts - And the usefulness is probably worth the extra money(Encoding, Rendering, Folding, multi-GPU gaming), which would explain why someone would need a quad-core worth a few hundred dollars.
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... your talking to me like I dont know anything. I am still using a c2d, so will be making the upgrade to quad on my next build, as long's as the pricing is right the phenom II will be my next chip. Of cause if the pricing is similar to the i7 then I will go for the i7, but from what I can see it's going to be quite abit cheaper then the i7.

Anyway whats with OCN lately everyone seems to just be arguing over post's it's really starting to bug me now, I come here to see what's going on with hardware ect and half the time I express my thought's on the subject to get shot down by someone thinking they know better. Adrienspawn I'm not pointing this at you buddy. I'm just saying in general this has been happening alot lately to me on OCN, and reading post's by others on this forum it seems to be happening alot to others aswell.
First i read its good, then i read its bad, hince & repeat.
Its getting irritating, especially since i'm using this board for info
Not made up facts that prove fanboynism....

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number crunching
Whats that?

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Your both wrong in my opinion. Most games aren't multi-threaded so buying a quad-core of any kind for gaming is a "waste." Theres hardly any advantages when moving from 2-4 threads, much less 4-8 threads like Nehalem.

If price is really an issue then theres the dual-core K10 and dual-core Pentiums that you could spend $70 on without sacrificing performance.

If your really looking at a quad then chances are you have the money to get some of the best parts - And the usefulness is probably worth the extra money(Encoding, Rendering, Folding, multi-GPU gaming), which would explain why someone would need a quad-core worth a few hundred dollars.
Dousn't the Cashe ammount itself improve performance on gaming to?

I could possibly settle with a dual core. But since i use application like photoshop / Fl studio and some other intensive programs I think the 2 extra cores deliver that extra more for the costs i spend.

I could still go Q6600 if phenom 2 dousn't end up like some of us hoped for.
Edited by Alwinp - 12/20/08 at 3:14pm
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Let's how they will release it quickly. Once the Nehalem boards drop in price, the price advantage on AMD will be gone. Does Intel still holds a valid patent on Hyperthreading? Why isn't AMD implementing it into their new CPUs?
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHA
.

YOU HAVE A $999 CPU and your crying about price and budget? Contradiction FTL.

2 years ago is history isn't it?

VIA, Cyrix - Really, what processors do they offer that comes close to what Intel/AMD offers in the server, desktop and mobile markets? Last time I checked AMD and Intel are dominating the semiconductor industry @ #2 & #1 respectively.

Thats like saying S3 is the reason we're not paying $1000/GPU for nVidia graphics - When they can't even compete in the area yet they're applying pressure? No, sense not make.

And if it wasn't for Intel, we'd be stuck with slow, power hungry 90 and 65nm parts up until now. YAY Intel and AMD are so complimentary of each other, they should get married(Merge).
You Sir, are an Idiot.
I said, Some people, not I.
I never brought up graphics, but you forgot 3DFX and Matrox, also, Rendition, Trident, STB...
Amd is #11 in the top 20 semi conductor manufactures, Intel is #1
Intel isn't solely responsible for smaller manufacturing processes, they may have beat AMD to the punch, but IBM beat them both.

Some of you think it's ONLY Intel or AMD, or ATI or NVidia pioneering these breakthroughs, spending millions and reaping the rewards, there are so many other companies behind the scenes either partnering , licensing , or selling patents to Intel and AMD.

I don't know why I waste my time trying to teach anything to anyone, you obvisiouly know everything and have been around this industry much longer than some of us...
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Originally Posted by 0m3g4 View Post
the cpu voltage in the last pic seems a lil high just for 4g.
I hope they can hit the 4g w/o 1.58vcore.
but, nice non the less
It's 65nm, right? That's not exceptionally high for 65nm.

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Your both wrong in my opinion. Most games aren't multi-threaded so buying a quad-core of any kind for gaming is a "waste." Theres hardly any advantages when moving from 2-4 threads, much less 4-8 threads like Nehalem.

If price is really an issue then theres the dual-core K10 and dual-core Pentiums that you could spend $70 on without sacrificing performance.

If your really looking at a quad then chances are you have the money to get some of the best parts - And the usefulness is probably worth the extra money(Encoding, Rendering, Folding, multi-GPU gaming), which would explain why someone would need a quad-core worth a few hundred dollars.
If price is an issue for someone, then I'd be willing to bet that person doesn't have a super graphics card so the CPU used will matter more for game performance, which means that going to dual core Pentiums - even the C2D rebrands - will result in performance loss over their higher-end brethren because of the reduced cache size.
Edited by stargate125645 - 12/20/08 at 5:19pm
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It's 65nm, right? That's not exceptionally high for 65nm.

If price is an issue for someone, then I'd be willing to bet that person doesn't have a super graphics card so the CPU used will matter more for game performance, which means that going to dual core Pentiums - even the C2D rebrands - will result in performance loss over their higher-end brethren because of the reduced cache size.
One would think

It's actually 45nm

Or is it? Dun-dun-DUUUM!!!!!
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One would think

It's actually 45nm

Or is it? Dun-dun-DUUUM!!!!!
I don't know why I thought it's 65nm, but something in the back of my head says it is. I'm going to pick up a gun at the store. That voice will be silenced.
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