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post #1 of 34
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I got a dell 531s for christmas last year and recently i've began playing World of Warcraft and it lags terribly. I ask a friend what would be the most likely cause and he said RAM i only have 958 mb. is this enough i ask the dell rep if i could upgrade and he said i have 4 slots for ram. well the cards i'm looking at are either 667mhz or 800mhz which one should i go with? Or is RAM not my problem?
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post #2 of 34
ram could easily be an issue.

Considering you are probably using xp, you just want 2 gig's of DDR2-800
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post #3 of 34
What are your system specs? I'm assuming a q6600 or something similar. If that's the case the 667 ram would be fine but you may as well get 800 because it's so cheap at the moment.
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post #4 of 34
Hiya powder1821,

Two gigs is the standard for ram, maybe more with vista, idk as I don't/won't install it on my systems. But doubling your ram will do wonders. And if you goto your UserCP you can enter in all of your system's details so everyone can see what you got and have quicker answers for/if there is any conflicts. Mostly I think you would be ok with the 800 flavour but my opinion might change depending on the mobo that you got, but with a Dell brand I'd say that the 800 is your best bet. ddr2 ram is cheap these days and I would suggest to buy a dual (2x1G) pack.

Oh....and with the ram that you said above I might guess that you have a integrated gpu on the mobo, the bios will delegate some of your ram to video ram. So please enter your info for us all to see.

Good Luck...
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post #5 of 34
Check this out. there is cheaper though look around the Egg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227189
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post #6 of 34
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ok i filled out what i could my computer skills arent up to par with you guys. I have other pc's in the house with world of warcraft on them and they do not lag nearly as bad as mine. I'm running vista.
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post #7 of 34
Ok, I Googled and found the below info;

Integrated GeForce® 6150 SE graphic GPU (shares 64megs of ram)

- Any gpu upgrade you do will be very visible. I would suggest one of the 9600gt flavours.

- Ram 2x1gig Any one you pick here will do you good although the OCZ/Crucial are better than the Adata. I see that lots of people like the Geil ram and it is only $29

Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

- I don't think you need to do anything here but then I don't know what the mobo is. And it would depend on what kind of audio it is you are listening too. A Live! 24bit sound card is pretty cheap. Creative is such a popular brand but there are waaay better ones to get, you will pay quite a bit more for them. Like I said it all depends on what you are using them for. Gaming might be a bit better than the integrated...

I've given you cheap options for a reason. Dell brands are not worth putting hundreds of dollar into them for upgrades. Dell is a cheap no frills brand that does alot of people good for what they want it to do. As you are here in OCN you are thinking outside the box and if you look around you will find other, better, ways of building a brand new, so to speak, computer. This new one you build will be light years beyond the Dell. But your Dell does have a nice cpu that you could migrate to the new build, along with the drives and that would save you a bit.

Browse around, take a few days to do it, look the stickies at the top of each forum's list. Read what others have if it is of interest to you. You will be the one using the pc so you will have to know some idea of what you need compared to what you can afford. Figure out a budget and I am sure you will get alot of suggestions as to how to get what you want. But do some reading of gpus, cpus and video/audio cards and get a feel of what we are running and what you want. It might take a few days but researching is the way to go. It is very easy for you to ask what we would buy for you. You budget might not take what some might suggest so you need info.

Good luck and I'll watch here for replies.
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post #8 of 34
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ok i'm looking at the EVGA 512-p3-n863-TR geforce 9600 gt 512mb 256-bit GDDR3 pci express 2.0x16 ready sli supported video card. would i have to upgrade the current programs to run this card? it says directx10 i dont know what i'm currently running. how complicated is it to install would it be plug and play or would i need adapters etc... I was talking to customer support and the guy said i had 4 slots for ram i was thinking about getting 4x1gb would this be overkill or since mine already has 2x512mb or would just getting 2 of the 1gb cards and adding them in addition to the existing cards be enough. I havent ventured into replacing existing parts often just a hard drive and fan in an old pc and the parts were direct replacement same brand same everything. The particular video card mentioned above didnt have requirements for power supply since i dont know what mine is i figured it would be the best way to go the others had requirements that i didnt know how to decipher. i went ahead and ordered a set of giel memory cards i can always order 2 more if need be. G-byte they should give you discount theres about a 1% chance i would have chose that brand if you hadnt mentioned them.
Edited by powder1821 - 12/21/08 at 12:39am
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post #9 of 34
Hi again powder,

Can you find out what brand of power supply you have? It would make it easier to figure out what you can take for a gpu. The 9600gt should be ok but lets make sure. Oh, don't get the -tr version of the evga cards, they have a limited warrenty whereas the -ar has a lifetime warranty. Do you have vista 64bit or just 32? If the former you can put 2x2gigs or more since windows 64 can use more all it can take. If the 32bit version windows can only handle about 3.25gigs and that includes all memory, sound, graphics and anything else. So if you got a 4gig set windows would lose 1gig or so. So my suggestion if you are vista home 32bit is just get a double set of 1gig sticks and remove the two 512's that you got. Put them away for sale or whatever. Windows also gets a performance hit if all four banks of memory are used, that is the 32bit version.

vista is direct x 10 so you are ok for that. If you are going to stick with that dell machine then get the 9600gt and maybe a better power supply. It will do you ok for now with the games you play. I went to a 9600gt myself and it was fantastic and if I was to sli two cards that would be good for almost maxed out Crysis settings. Look at your power supply and see if there is a 6 pin cable, that is what you'll need for any gpu over the 9600gt, so get your hands dirty and open that case. While you are inside look for any lettering on the motherboard and write them down. With this info we might be able to find out what sort of mobo you have and what it can do.
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post #10 of 34
Well powder, before you consider massive upgrades to your system (quadrupling your ram, buying a $150 graphics card), you should consider that the cpu you're using is pretty much... awful for gaming. The benefit you'll see from more ram won't be very apparent in games (though, you'll notice other performance benefits outside gaming), as a gig really is enough for WoW on XP, and the benefit from a new graphics card would be pronounced, but know that it might only improve your graphics quality (make things look prettier), but not your framerate (choppiness). MMO's are pretty cpu intensive, so with a slow cpu like yours, you're probably going to still see a pretty low framerate, especially in heavily populated areas (cities and raids).

I can't say enough how much a bad cpu will affect your performance in games, I know from experience using a similarly bad processor. I know many cheap dells have problems overclocking, as well, so an upgrade there might be a good idea. If I were you, I'd split the money between a new cpu AND gpu, rather than one good gpu, which I don't think will be enough, if you're using an old AMD 2ghz.
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