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If he were to go with the 9600 what would be a good, cheap motherboard that would leave room for upgrading in the future? I am assuming most any decent motherboard would be fine for overclocking the 9600 (if he decides he might want to in the future) due to its unlocked multiplier.
The 9600 has the tlb errata so you could potentially have problems with it. So now we are looking for something that has good overclocking?
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The 9600 has the tlb errata so you could potentially have problems with it.
Please elaborate as I have no idea what this means.

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So now we are looking for something that has good overclocking?
Not what I said. I said I assume in the range of cheap motherboards they will make little difference in its overclocking potential (if such a thing ever happens) due to the unlocked multiplier.
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p5q, e8500, and some decent ddr2-1000 or better...
Its only video card, proc, and mobo.

And about the 9600. Ask around in the AMD section how far you can take that chip. To OC or not to OC.... you really need to find out which you are doing. The Dual Core Phenom has higher clock speed than the quad. But just what exactly will he play, what exactly will he do? Heck, if you wanted to OC and were a little bit more flexible with the budget, get an E8400 and Oc to 4.0+ Ghz.

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The 9600 has the tlb errata so you could potentially have problems with it. So now we are looking for something that has good overclocking?
The TLB errata is what put a sour name on the Phenoms that end in 9x00 when they came out. But its a rare bug that has occured in the lab. Rarely does one encounter it in the real world. And its just a restart to fix. However, I don't know if that is a B3 Phenom (bug free) or the old one. Still, like I said, very rare, almost 99.99999% not to encounter the bug in the real world. To my knowledge, Intel also had a TLB errata. However, they fixed it via a bios update. AMD had to change the stepping.

Again, what does he really want?

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Originally Posted by Malaziel View Post
Not what I said. I said I assume in the range of cheap motherboards they will make little difference in its overclocking potential (if such a thing ever happens) due to the unlocked multiplier.
That 790GX or that TF720 that was posted are pretty cheap. You want it cheaper??? You could go cheaper...
Edited by Weedvender - 12/21/08 at 12:49am
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I've already stated what is wanted and clarified as to what the computer will be used for. Its not an all out gaming rig (but will be gamed on) and will be used for processor intensive tasks hence my stipulation that a balance be struck between CPU and GPU. This PC will probably never be overclocked but why buy an inferior motherboard for overclocking or one that will be limiting if the prices are the same or nearly so? So assuming a 9600 and a 9800GT. Leaving a budget of $90 for the motherboard what would be best for upgradeability and general futureproofing?
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post #25 of 31
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Dude.
Biostars are cheap, top notch motherboards with all the OC options you could possibly want and wouldn't want. If you insist on a 9800GT and a Phenom X4, then go get a random 790GX or 780G or 790FX (if you can find one at the price... make sure its SB700 or SB750 not SB600). Or just any AM2+ motherboard you find that isn't SB600 which includes all the Nvidia chipsets and what not. Check the SB700 and the SB750 boards can support deneb.

If not then go with the Intel builds suggested and replace the card with the 9800GT.
Edited by Weedvender - 12/21/08 at 1:33am
post #26 of 31
My final submission. Good board, good processor, cheap good heatsink, good budget nvidia card. You would be able to do crossfire in the future just would need two new ati cards. Over your budget but not really by much if you were to get open box then it would be much cheaper as people have posted earlier. See attached pic
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My final submission. Good board, good processor, cheap good heatsink, good budget nvidia card. You would be able to do crossfire in the future just would need two new ati cards. Over your budget but not really by much if you were to get open box then it would be much cheaper as people have posted earlier. See attached pic
You'd recommend a 8750 over a 9600 for the same price? Does it offer more than just a extra 100 mhz clock on each core in performance? Again thanks for all the suggestions guys.
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You'd recommend a 8750 over a 9600 for the same price? Does it offer more than just a extra 100 mhz clock on each core in performance? Again thanks for all the suggestions guys.
You should be able to hit 3+ghz on that chip especially with that board having the 750sb. I'm just not a big fan of the tlb errata even if it is uncommon for it to happen. If you have no issue with the tlb errata then go for the quad.

Edit: Here is an article that talks about what happens with the tlb errata. Also to fix the errata issue with the agena processors ending in 9x00 most motherboard manufacturers issued a bios update which cripples overclocking unless it is disabled in the bios if there is that option.

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However, it turns out that the processor division of AMD botched this time around. We asked AMD to provide us with official statement on this huge problem, and we got a reply back from the firm:

"The Translation Lookaside Buffer (TLB) errata is an L3 protocol issue causing a system hang when running certain client workload applications independent of platform. AMD is immediately introducing an updated BIOS which will correct the TLB errata".

Edited by hout17 - 12/21/08 at 2:24am
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You should be able to hit 3+ghz on that chip especially with that board having the 750sb. I'm just not a big fan of the tlb errata even if it is uncommon for it to happen. If you have no issue with the tlb errata then go for the quad.
The article I just read said the 9600 is completely uneffected by the TLB unless heavily overclocked and will only happen on small number of chips when all four cores are run at 100%. Seems like something this system won't have to worry about. Seems like the frontrunner right now is a 9600, 9800GT, and the open box version of the motherboard you linked. Appreciate it guys. More suggestions still appreciated.
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The article I just read said the 9600 is completely uneffected by the TLB unless heavily overclocked and will only happen on small number of chips when all four cores are run at 100%. Seems like something this system won't have to worry about. Seems like the frontrunner right now is a 9600, 9800GT, and the open box version of the motherboard you linked. Appreciate it guys. More suggestions still appreciated.
You still might get the performance penalty of the TLB fix, which most sources say is ~10%. It's most commonly implemented as a bios patch, and unless you have a bios option to toggle it on/off or choose to flash to an older version you wont have the option of running your 9600 unpatched.
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