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Bananas can't fly...

I still thinks the PS3's images are to dark.
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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
tell me - how do you afford an i7, a GTX280, AND a 360/PS3.
I've got a Wii, too ;D But I didn't buy them all at once XD
Edited by Solertia - 12/22/08 at 1:26pm
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Simple mistake, I hadn't realized that the change from Core (which had no HDMI) to Arcade meant they had added it. I have the Core and I regret it.
Your assuming you can only get an HD signal with HDMI, which is untrue.

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I think you misunderstand, consoles are not upgradable. Therein lies the weakness. There is nothing holding you back from upgrading your PC whenever you want to, so why should you have to use hardware from 2005 in 2008/2009? It seems foolish to ask such a thing.
I understand perfectly, I've already acknowledge that consoles are weaker than PCs in all my previous posts... But you seem to be forgetting that PCs cost more than consoles over the duration of their life cycle, which has historically been 6 years. Can't have your cake and eat it too


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You can only do 720p/1080i with Component.
No, component accepts a 1080p signal - The only time you can't get a full progressive HD signal from component is when your playing HD protected content - Which will never be an issue since the 360 doesn't use an HD medium like Blu-ray to playback games. Also its up to the studio that publishes the disc to incorporate an image constraint token which down samples the image if not played back over HDMI - If it doesn't have this DRM then your free to play whatever you want on any HDTV, through whatever connection.

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Edit: another little note: I own a 7800GT although it artifacts now, when it worked I played Bioshock on all High (DX9 obviously) @1024x768 at 30+fps pretty easily. I ran fraps throughout the whole game and I'd say I got average 45fps. It could do 720p at around 40fps average on high I would think.
Screenshots would suffice but of course, your 7800GT is broken now

The GPU within both consoles are much better than a 7800GT anyway, so it wouldn't really matter what games its able to play by comparison.
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The GPU within both consoles are much better than a 7800GT anyway, so it wouldn't really matter what games its able to play by comparison.
The GPU in the PS3 is a 7800GT (well its based off of it)
    
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The GPU in the PS3 is a 7800GT (well its based off of it)
it's based off the 7800 architecture - not specifically a 7800GT
The 7800 series had multiple GPUs including a 7800GTX.
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tell me - how do you afford an i7, a GTX280, AND a 360/PS3.
Well...I have an i7, a GTX260, a 360, a Wii, and (in three days) a PS3...
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Microsoft / Sony correct. They lose money. Nintendo incorrect they are making $6 profit from every console! or something like that I don't remember exactly. The article was posted on here not to long ago.
MS makes the most money off a 360 console sale, infact during the entire lifespan of the 360 they've made money from the console sales, that was one of their major goals with the console. Nintendo makes a bit of money at $6 per console, and Sony has lost [est] $3-4 billion USD in console sales. In either case, both AMD & Intel need to make a lot of money off each chip sale as that is all they sell.

Take the PS3 for instance. You're probably getting $800 in hardware for $400, because Sony will hopefully make back the money from Bluray licensing, Bluray sales, videogame sales, Home micropayment sales, accessories like controllers, and other licensing costs associated with the console. The only reason the Wii is making profit is because people are willing to pay it and it's always sold out. The reason the 360 is at profit is because Microsoft promised their stockboard all along that they wouldn't gamble with the investment money like they did with the original Xbox. The PS3, like both previous PS's, and all other consoles that I know of, are all sold undercost as a gamble in hopes to make back the money from other things mentioned above.

What Sony will make off the PS3, even if it becomes insanely successful, will be a drop in the bucket compared to how much money they're about to rake in off Bluray licensing over the next 20 years.
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The GPU within both consoles are much better than a 7800GT anyway, so it wouldn't really matter what games its able to play by comparison.
lol... no. The PS3's graphics are based on the 79-- architecture.... the 360 is roughly based on one of the ATI HD2--- (probably the 2600) chips so...... the 7800 is comparable to current consoles. (weird huh.... pc ports on consoles run on dated hardware.... yet console ports like GRAW2 and mass effect have high hardware requirements) So what were you saying again.... oh yeah the 7800 is pretty much as powerful as a console gpu.... an 8800 blows them away.... and a GTX2-0 rips them apart.

Also, if you bought an 8800GTX and a core 2 duo back when the PS3 launched (and all those people got trampled) from a reliable etailer (newegg) your $1000 pc would still in all liklihood at least be able to meet minimum requirements at the start of the next console cycle. (I think the 6600GT is still minimum gpu while the aging P4 3.6ghz is still on there as well for most games... and those are old)

Another reason PC beats console is that pc is a flexible platform. PC Piracy gets a lot of internet press. Recently console piracy has spread like wildfire. (mostly on the 360) For example I went to a lan party and 4-5 people had moded drives on their 360s so we only needed one copy of Halo 3 and COD4 for all 16 of us to play... With reliance on disc the console industry is heading for an epic fail. PC is moving more and more towards digital distribution, invasive ads for pirated versions, and heavy drm. (the drm I disagree with.... but the ads are hilarious) With this piracy becomes less of a problem.

Also with pc games the content quality is normally always better. Problems on pc games get solved quickly. Additional content like the cod4 map pack was free for pc gamers. The fortune pack for Far Cry 2 will likely be cheaper.... or just free. Mass Effect ann Gears of War were both released with extra incentives for pc gamers.... Fable on pc got free content re-released for xbox at $20 (aka fable lost chapters)


My point is for pc you pay for quality. You pay for content. (pc games cost less than console games and are better games) You pay for a platform that has been there since duke nukem 3d and will be there for duke nukem forever. (aka the biblical apacolypse)
Edited by Icipher - 12/22/08 at 1:22pm
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Your assuming you can only get an HD signal with HDMI, which is untrue.
Not sure which statement you are going for so pick the response you want...
1080p: It depends, really, if you are one of the lucky beings to own a TV with 1080p through component capability like was said a few pages back.

HD in general: The core system only came with composite cables. AFAIK the arcade doesn't come with component cables either.
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I understand perfectly, I've already acknowledge that consoles are weaker than PCs in all my previous posts... But you seem to be forgetting that PCs cost more than consoles over the duration of their life cycle, which has historically been 6 years. Can't have your cake and eat it too
http://www.overclock.net/video-game-...ml#post5152667
I hope you don't mind if I link you to a page back, he gave a pretty good run down on how much you save through games.

I was originally talking about the freedom of the platform btw. If you don't feel your eyecandy is sufficient you can always upgrade till you are happy. Hence having 2008 hardware vs 2005 hardware. I managed to meld this into one answer though through happenstance. :<
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Screenshots would suffice but of course, your 7800GT is broken now
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/cjskater0/
Those are the only ones I have from that time, although you wont see the fps counter in there. Everything from Trackmania down = 7800GT.
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tell me - how do you afford an i7, a GTX280, AND a 360/PS3.
He lives in the US that's why... oh wait you are too.
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