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Well...I have an i7, a GTX260, a 360, a Wii, and (in three days) a PS3...
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WAAAAAT?
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lol... no. The PS3's graphics are based on the 79-- architecture.... the 360 is roughly based on one of the ATI HD2--- (probably the 2600) chips so...... the 7800 is comparable to current consoles. (weird huh.... pc ports on consoles run on dated hardware.... yet console ports like GRAW2 and mass effect have high hardware requirements) So what were you saying again.... oh yeah the 7800 is pretty much as powerful as a console gpu.... an 8800 blows them away.... and a GTX2-0 rips them apart.
The 360's GPU is equal to a X1950XTX only better and more efficient because it has 48 UNIFIED shaders. It was the first GPU on the market to have the unified architecture. I'm not sure what else your talking about though

Consoles don't need uber powerful GPUs - Developers can squeeze every last bit out of their hardware, they can't do the same with PC hardware since no hardware is the same. Thats why console games look comparable in 2008. How many games on PC that look as good as Gears 2, Uncharted, Killzone 2, MGS4... that can be ran with an x1950pro? Crysis is the only game worth mentioning if your talking about looks but an 1950pro can't even run the game well on medium.

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Also, if you bought an 8800GTX and a core 2 duo back when the PS3 launched (and all those people got trampled) from a reliable etailer (newegg) your $1000 pc would still in all liklihood at least be able to meet minimum requirements at the start of the next console cycle. (I think the 6600GT is still minimum gpu while the aging P4 3.6ghz is still on there as well for most games... and those are old)
If you bought an 8800GTX in 2006 then you spent $550 for a GPU, more than both consoles. Last time I checked, you can't play games with just a GPU...you need RAM, MB, HDD, KB/m, Case and a CPU.

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Another reason PC beats console is that pc is a flexible platform. PC Piracy gets a lot of internet press. Recently console piracy has spread like wildfire. (mostly on the 360) For example I went to a lan party and 4-5 people had moded drives on their 360s so we only needed one copy of Halo 3 and COD4 for all 16 of us to play... With reliance on disc the console industry is heading for an epic fail. PC is moving more and more towards digital distribution, invasive ads for pirated versions, and heavy drm. (the drm I disagree with.... but the ads are hilarious) With this piracy becomes less of a problem.
Not sure what your getting at here, PC piracy is infinitely more rampant on PC than consoles. All consoles have a platform for digital distribution already, so if digital distribution is contingency plan for PC publishers, its also a ulterior method for console publishers.

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Also with pc games the content quality is normally always better. Problems on pc games get solved quickly. Additional content like the cod4 map pack was free for pc gamers. The fortune pack for Far Cry 2 will likely be cheaper.... or just free. Mass Effect ann Gears of War were both released with extra incentives for pc gamers.... Fable on pc got free content re-released for xbox at $20 (aka fable lost chapters)
You love realizing console faults without looking at their benefits. Console games work the same way as PC games do, developers can(And have) patched their game via an online update. Its not any different than on PC

Whats more is that console games ship with less issues than the PC counterparts usually. Theres always a potential for issues on the PC due to it having infinitely more things to run in the background due to its OS - Theres regularly issues with compatibility, 3d driver, display driver issues, .ddl issues etc. Consoles don't have compatibility issues, they always work.


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My point is for pc you pay for quality. You pay for content. (pc games cost less than console games and are better games) You pay for a platform that has been there since duke nukem 3d and will be there for duke nukem forever. (aka the biblical apacolypse)
1. Quality: Most of the games with the highest production values are on consoles this generation. Halo 3, Gears of War 2, MGS4, Forza 2, LBP, Uncharted, Fable 2, Killzone 2, GT5. Don't make me dig up the entire list of console exclusive games that dwarfs that of PC

2. Price: I don't have to buy console games - I can spend $4.95/month and rent all my games from Gamefly or BlockBuster - PC doesn't have any type of rental service, its damn near impossible.:

3. Age: You do realize Duke Nukem was on N64 right, CONSOLE?



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Not sure which statement you are going for so pick the response you want...
1080p: It depends, really, if you are one of the lucky beings to own a TV with 1080p through component capability like was said a few pages back.
You can get a full HD signal through component. Your original statement was that core 360 couldn't do "HD." You are wrong, the end.

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HD in general: The core system only came with composite cables. AFAIK the arcade doesn't come with component cables either.

http://www.overclock.net/video-game-...ml#post5152667
I hope you don't mind if I link you to a page back, he gave a pretty good run down on how much you save through games.
You can get an HD signal from component AND composite. Your original statement said otherwise.

@ Nathris. Sorry, I didn't see your post.

My point regarding the issues is that you've upgraded your PC at least twice since 2005 to stay current whereas you never have to upgrade with consoles.

That 4670 won't be playing games in 2010 WELL(The expected date for new consoles) so what will you have to do? Spend even more money to upgrade again to a HD 5670 in 2009 and a 6670 in 2010.

If you had a Pentium D and a 7600GT in 2005(Avg gaming PC in 2005) then your not playing 2008 games comparable to the quality of console games, so you must upgrade.

7600GT in 2005 = $150
8600GT in 2006 = $150 *At this point, your not playing 2008 games comparable to consoles, which was the original assertion made.*
9600GT in 2007/8 = $99($150 when new)

Even with entry level graphics you've spent more on GPUs than you would on any one console and you'll end up upgrading again before 2010/11 when the new consoles released.

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I was originally talking about the freedom of the platform btw. If you don't feel your eyecandy is sufficient you can always upgrade till you are happy. Hence having 2008 hardware vs 2005 hardware. I managed to meld this into one answer though through happenstance. :<
Yes the PC is more open, but at a price thats more than what you pay for consoles.
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You can get a full HD signal through component. Your original statement was that core 360 couldn't do "HD." You are wrong, the end.
Look I will quote my original statement. Take note of where the italics is located, try going to the actual post if you can't locate it.
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The $200 360 alone can only do 640x480 res.
It is in fact very much true, the width may be off considering there is like 4 different standards... it is SD though. You need to buy the correct cables to utilize the HD feature.

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You can get an HD signal from component AND composite. Your original statement said otherwise.
Same thing, look above. Composite cannot do HD, I suggest you check it out on google if you are confused as to which cable you are talking about. Component and HDMI are the ones that have HD capability, although as I said component only does 1080p on certain TVs.

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Look I will quote my original statement. Take note of where the italics is located, try going to the actual post if you can't locate it.

It is in fact very much true, the width may be off considering there is like 4 different standards... it is SD though. You need to buy the correct cables to utilize the HD feature.


Same thing, look above. Composite cannot do HD, I suggest you check it out on google if you are confused as to which cable you are talking about. Component and HDMI are the ones that have HD capability, although as I said component only does 1080p on certain TVs.

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I understand completely what you are saying but....
You're thinking back when the original 360 could not do full 1080p through component. You're correct, but - it has changed. NOW all 360s can do full 1080p through component. Microsoft has changed it.

I remember reading articles way back when the 360 first came out. But the very first hardware revision of the 360 - it changed. Believe me - I remember it quite well because that was my biggest hate against the 360.
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It isn't a Xbox limitation, it is a TV limitation. Most HDTVs cannot accept 1080p through component, except a select few.
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It isn't a Xbox limitation, it is a TV limitation. Most HDTVs cannot accept 1080p through composite, except a select few.

I believe almost all HDTVs accept 1080p via component dude. If what you say is true - then 1080p TVs before HDMI are not infact 1080p.
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I'm bored of the pricing arguement.

And about the hardware. Yes you might've needed to upgrade since the 360's launch.. or you went out and bought a 8800GTX. Yes it cost more than the console alone, but if you want a res of 720p through a tv, then who the hell cares? That sucker will still dominate that resolution and your electricity bill for another couple years. So throw in a move to a dualcore/mobo and you're looking at a fair whack of cash to keep it current.

You can't play games with only a graphics card - you can't play Halo 3 with half a PS3. Things cost different amounts - we get it.

You make a choice, you choose to pay that expense. Let's face it if you're really dropping that much cash you're hardly on the breadline anyway (and if you are you really should find better things to spend your money on).



Back OT - Those PS3 shots look horrendous. The good thing is, thankfully console games tend to improve graphically over time.
    
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WAAAAAT?
Heh heh, yep. I couldn't think of anything I wanted for Xmas from my wife more than a Blu-Ray player. I still would never pay $399 for a PS3, but that Sony Visa card offer drops it down to $250...heck yeah, I'm all over that. I convinced my wife that the PS3 really is the best player out there, and she surprised me by saying it's not too hideous to put it in the living room. So voila...PS3 for XMas. It really will be a Blu-Ray player though (and media center, and all that other stuff it can do), I will be gaming on it very infrequently.
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I'm bored of the pricing arguement.

You can't play games with only a graphics card - you can't play Halo 3 with half a PS3. Things cost different amounts - we get it.
You cant play it with a Whole PS3 either
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You cant play it with a Whole PS3 either
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